SPIRITUAL TALKS BETWEEN JESUS AND NATUZZA EVOLO
I was uneasy, upset ...
Jesus: Get up and catch the rhythm of the old days.
Natuzza: How do you speak, Jesus? What should I do?
Jesus: There are so many things you can do!
Natuzza: I don't have a head.
Jesus: Come up with something!
Natuzza: I understood that I had to say to the devil: "I burn your tongue!". Then I remembered that I had to peel the peas. I got them. There was also the presence of the devil that disturbed me: I dropped the pot, the peas ...
Jesus: You can do it, you can do it!
Natuzza: Sir, for every grain I want a saved soul.
Jesus: Which ones died to bring them to heaven?
Natuzza: Sir I am ignorant, forgive me. Those who died, I'm sure you take them to heaven. But those who are alive can be lost, convert them.
Jesus: Do I convert them? If you work with me. And you didn't want anything!
Natuzza: I want what you want.
Jesus: Then I say that I will not save them!
Natuzza: Don't tell me (angry). I don't believe you do it.
Jesus: And what do you know. Are you used to reading the heart?
Natuzza: No, this no. Forgive me!
Jesus: Do not mortify yourself, because when you speak you say wise words. Poor, but wise.
Natuzza: Sir, I know you are offended, but if you want, forgive me.
Jesus: (smiling) And you didn't want anything! I told you that you eat mortifications for bread. And you started Lent well. As we said? Which is always Lent for you. I'll spare you something, but you're always worried.
Natuzza: You made me restless, because otherwise you would have made me die at this hour.
Jesus: You will be restless too in the other world! (Smiling).
Natuzza: Instead of telling me these things, tell me one more thing.
Jesus: And what do you want!
Natuzza: Peace. I am distressed, worried about the war.
Jesus: The world is always at war. The poor who lack bread are not at war, but those who want power.
Natuzza: And give it a shot in the head. Stun those who want it.
Jesus: But you are vindictive!
Natuzza: Don't kill them, but change them.
Jesus: They would like to have a new head. Pray.
Geaù on the education of the children
Jesus: What are these scruples. Always get the same things back.
He put his hand on my right wrist and a wound opened.
Natuzza: Sir, parents come with sick children. I say a word of comfort to them. And to those who tell me it's difficult to be a parent, what should I say?
Jesus: Parents find it difficult to do it when their children are over 8, 10 years old. As long as they are small it is not difficult. How difficult it is for me to use mercy for you. In a moment I use my mercy and they can't use a good word for their children? They let him do what they want, when they are grown up then they give him a hard time. They have to start from the first days, if not it's like a scrambled shirt.
Natuzza: Sir, I don't understand.
Jesus: When you take a new shirt and keep it for a long time, it rusts and burning iron is not enough to remove the crease. So are the children. They must be educated from the early days to love and the ability to face life.
Natuzza: What's the shirt got to do with it, sir?
Jesus: When they are small, allow children to do whatever they want, even blasphemies. And when they blaspheme and say rubbish, smile above and don't change the subject, nor say: "This is not done, this is not said". Leave them free, then harden and take advantage. What are you doing?
Jesus: Consul because you see me. Forget it. But you can't close this mouth, do you always have to answer?
Natuzza: I don't have the strength.
Jesus: I always gave it to you and I give it to you, but you are domineering.
Natuzza: What have I done wrong to be domineering? I can't stand injustice.
Jesus: Eh, I put up with so many injustices ... Even those who know me insult me!
Natuzza: You're right, the first one is me.
Jesus: Not that you insult me, but you are no longer obedient.
Natuzza: Give me a penance or cut my tongue.
Jesus: I don't cut my tongue off. Be silent, silent and pray. You must loosen your tongue for prayers. Indeed no, because you get tired, only the mind.
Jesus on true friendship to young people OK sent
Jesus: My soul, be joyful. Do not be sad.
Natuzza: I can't be joyful with this upset I have.
Jesus: Do like Our Lady who has reserved many things in her heart for long years and was always joyful. Talk about me and be joyful. When one is in love with a young man, as soon as he sees him all that he has experienced during the week, month or year passes. Wait to see him and make his confidences. I don't want you to talk too much, I read the confidences. When one is in love, he does not love his father or mother, he loves the lover. And your lover is me.
Natuzza: I am in awe, I can't speak and tell you.
Jesus: I already know things. Do you know that I like you? When you say that you leave your things behind the door and talk to people of charity, of humility, of chain of love. You have to say to young people that they must not delude themselves with those who say they are friends, because the true friend is me who suggests good things to them. Instead those who seem to be friends take them to perdition by showing them roses and flowers. Those roses and those flowers wilt, they are not there; there are curses, serious sins, and things that displease my heart.
Natuzza: Sir, are you sad about all these things?
Jesus: I am sad when I know that a soul is lost and I would like to conquer it. If there are two, I would like to conquer both. If they are a thousand, a thousand. Like you do? You get the voice to speak, you get the right words to say to people ... Do you do it alone?
Natuzza: O my Jesus, I do it with you. Because first I invoke you and say: "Tell me the right word that I must say to this friend or this friend".
Jesus: Don't believe they're all friends. You are cautious, but still use caution.
Natuzza: Why, don't I adjust? Give me the lesson.
Jesus: No, I always teach you the lesson, but I put the right words in your heart. If one reflects, he thinks about the things you say, otherwise he forgets them. Like the same when I say: "Do not look at who is a great sinner or a proud one, or one who does not do charity and who does no good". So many times the right words can soften a man's heart.
Natuzza: I don't know what the right words are.
Jesus: The right words are these: prudence, humility, charity and love of neighbor. Without love, without charity, without humility and without giving joy to others, the kingdom of heaven cannot be acquired.
Natuzza: If I can tell them, and if I don't know, how do I tell them?
Jesus: You can tell them.
Natuzza: At that moment they don't come in line because I am in awe of certain people.
Jesus: I believe you are more awe of me than poor people. You know a lot!
Natuzza: Ah, can I tell lies?
Jesus: No, but you underestimate yourself by saying that you are a rag, an earth worm and you want to become such. I like you like this.
Jesus and the real "tortures"
Jesus: You are tortured. Torture is not just that of concentration camps or war. Torture can be in many ways. Don't cry, my soul, listen to my words. You say that it is the eyes that weep for you, but the eyes are for many things: for beautiful things, for bad things, even for the tears you can offer. You enjoy beautiful things in your heart and pass them on to others. Bad things, with willpower, forget them. Bad things are passing, but good things remain eternal. And whoever does not forget the ugly cannot remember the beautiful. Whoever does not forget the ugly is suffering. This too can be offered. Do you know what's bad? Eternal death, because the death that I establish is a passage, as you say with your poor words, from one apartment to another.
Natuzza: My Jesus, you always say that for a soul you make many sacrifices and every time I get a wound you say to offer it for a soul that you don't want to lose.
I started to cry.
Jesus: You don't have to cry. You don't have to be moved. All the things you see do not see others. These things must console you. Do not Cry.
Natuzza: My Lord, I want the grace to endure, not to speak. Cut my tongue.
Jesus: I gave you the test, but I healed your tongue. But you didn't understand anything.
Natuzza: So you had started? You could cut it for me, so I suffered less.
Jesus: You suffer the same, because the heart and feeling are also present with the cut tongue. Pray and offer.
Jesus: Lord, I pray for everyone, for those who are at war, because I am sorry ...
Jesus: Did you see? Those are the real pains. Those mothers who see their children torn apart. That is torture, not yours that is momentary, but you accept it and offer it. Those creatures don't. With torture they die, but not forever, because they are in my arms and in my heart. The pain belongs to those who remain.
Natuzza: Maybe I'm crazy and in old age they bring me back to the asylum. How can I do?
Padre Pio: You are mad with love, you cannot go to the asylum. And then even in there you stay in love and think about Jesus.
Natuzza: While I am making a speech I have that image of Jesus in front of me and I say: “I would like to embrace him, I would like to hold him. But I never hugged and embraced a man and now I want to hug myself with God? "
Jesus: But I am the man of light, I am not the man of sin.
Madonna: Some days there will be wonders.
Natuzza: Madonna mia, what does it mean wonders?
Our Lady: There will be many people who suffer and take in the fresh air. It refreshes the soul and body. Jesus keeps the promises he makes. I, by reflection, who am his mother, always keep my promises.
Natuzza: Will all the things I've seen be there?
Our Lady: Jesus always arranges and keeps promises; I also keep my promises.
Our Lady: What are you waiting for my daughter? Jesus?
Natuzza: To your son!
Our Lady: You are waiting for him as the Magi expected him to meet him. And you are restless, you always want to meet him.
Natuzza: Of course I'm worried. Forgive me if I have more confidence with him. I wanted to ask him something.
Madonna: And speak!
Natuzza: And no, it's something between me and him.
Our Lady: So you have secrets with Jesus? Secrets are kept in the heart. I too have kept many for long years, not to suffer less, but to suffer more and to offer for the good of souls.
Natuzza: Why don't you say "my son"?
Our Lady: Because it is bigger, by its divine nature, and I have respect.
Natuzza: It can't be bigger, because you are the mother of God.
Madonna: Yes, he is older. He created the world and for the world he goes mad as you go mad for your children and for Him.
Jesus and the offerings of suffering
Jesus: You have always eaten mortifications for bread, now are they going wrong? You can't stand injustice or bitterness. I would not like you because you are scandalizing those around you.
Natuzza: I told you to cut my tongue and you didn't want to. Because?
Jesus: I also have charity with you.
Natuzza: Sir, that's not true. You have charity for the whole world, not just for me. I would like to have the charity you have with people.
Jesus: For whom?
Natuzza: I won't tell you, because you know it ...
Jesus: Be good, my daughter. Don't worry, don't get angry, it hurts not your soul, but your health does.
Natuzza: It also hurts my soul.
Jesus: Not to the soul, because you don't blaspheme him. You stimulate it and therefore you get angry inside, damaging the body, not the soul. You can't do more than what you've done a lifetime. Because with the soul you are generous and you do it because you don't want scruples. But this is not a scruple. You mean badly.
Natuzza: Jesus, I have grown old.
Jesus: The spirit does not age. The spirit is always alive. How do you say? The body dies, but the spirit is alive. And therefore it cannot age. Take this suffering and accept it as you have always done. Offer it for a just cause, not for nonsense.
Natuzza: And what's the right cause?
Jesus: The conversion of sinners, but especially for all those who arm the war. How many innocents die! The streets are flooded with blood and the hearts of mothers are cut as my heart is cut. My heart for the world is as afflicted as yours is afflicted. I smile and talk to you to console you, because you console my heart with the offering of sufferings that you are not lacking in day or night. You must pray for everyone to have love and charity like yours. Now you are caught everywhere, from the toenails to the top of the hair. You are rolled up in a mill and make oil to sweeten the hearts of people who are worse off than you are. You have consolation and pain; there are those who have only pain without consolation.
Jesus explains ...
Jesus: Your life has been a volcano of love. I leaned and found refreshment and consolation. You with me and I with you. And you have distributed this love to thousands of people. There are those who are consoled by this love, there are those who accepted it, those who took it as an example and as a catechesis.
Natuzza: I don't know what it means.
Jesus: Like a school. Those who accepted it found peace and refreshment. If you have a mortification think about the refreshment before and adding it to the mortification ...
Natuzza: I don't understand.
Jesus: ... distributes to double. He distributes love to others and finds consolation in me. So do not say that you have always been useless and that you could do many things. What were the most beautiful things you could do? Bring souls to console me. You consoled me and you consoled Our Lady. And how many lost families have you consoled! How many young people who were on the edge of the precipice did not fall! You took them, you gave them to me and I built them as I wanted. Do you like listening?
Natuzza: Yes, I like these things ...
Jesus: When I talk to you about young people, your heart and eyes shine.
Natuzza: Of course, I'm a mom.
Jesus: And you didn't want to be a mother! You see how beautiful it is to be a mother, because you understand, you understand all the mothers and also the creatures who suffer. You don't know how many creatures love you.
Natuzza: Jesus, are you jealous?
Jesus: I'm not jealous. They certainly love you, but I'm glad you bring them to me. Our Lady always said that the world is not a rose. Near the roses are the prickly thorns; they bite you, but when the rose comes out you say: "How beautiful!", your heart shines and you forgot about the thorn.
Natuzza: Sir, you speak and I don't understand.
Jesus: And when? You have grown old by now!
Natuzza: I don't know what you mean.
Jesus: Luckily I speak in simple terms. And if you don't understand me like that, when? When do you grow up? If you haven't grown up to date, you won't grow anymore.
Natuzza: Sir, maybe in heaven, if you give me a place.
Jesus: And why not? You said you want the place for everyone and I don't give it to you? If I give it to the billions, I'll keep one for you too.
Natuzza: I really did sin and didn't do anything good.
Jesus: You took care of everything and everyone. Like I said you did. Have you understood these words now or not? I miss these you understand!
Natuzza: Maybe I understood these half mezze. Because I take too much of it.
Jesus: When one takes too much, something good does it.
Jesus: I love you madly.
Natuzza: I too love you madly. I fell in love with you, with your beauty, with your sweetness, with your love. Jesus, why did you fall in love with an ugly woman like me? You could find a beautiful woman!
Jesus: I fell in love with your heart, with your way of thinking. I built you the way I wanted you. And when one grows up his girlfriend as a child, he grows up as he wants. Imagine how he loves her, how he falls in love, if the time he loses counts. You tell me that I waste time with someone like you. But it is not a waste of time! it is a time of love. I live in you and you live in me.
Natuzza: But it cannot be, you are God, you are the Saint. I am a worm, a rag.
Jesus: (smiling) The worm can walk on my head, with the rag I clean my shoes. I like everything. You are mad with love, with my love.
Natuzza: How many things I still wanted to do ...
Jesus: But why do you say so? As you say it, you seem angry. What more could you do, your body wouldn't allow it, your soul would.
Natuzza: Sir, if I was more educated, I knew how to read and write ...
Jesus: Did you become learned? Who knows how much pride you could have. So as you say you are down to earth.
Natuzza: (in my mind) Even the Lord offends me.
Jesus: it's a compliment. I compliment you and you don't want it?
Natuzza: Can I want it? You say that I am in the earth and meanwhile I wash my feet, I wash my face, I wash my hands, and I do not touch the earth.
Jesus: You don't really understand, you don't understand the truth.
Jesus speaks of the priests
Jesus: Be good where you are and don't be scrupulous. Why this hurry? is he more important than me? Speak with me.
Natuzza: Jesus, I only have to tell you, I want to save my soul and the whole world starting with my children.
He put his hand on my foot
Jesus: This you offer it to obstinate sinner priests, because you have obstinate shoulders behind who do not listen to you. They say they have to do that given thing and they do it. And so they ruin their soul and hurt my heart. My heart is wounded by the sins of the world, but particularly by those priests who touch my body and my blood with their sacrilegious hands every morning. At that moment I am grieved more. I have given them a special gift: the priesthood. And they hurt me more.
There are priests who think to celebrate in a moment, mechanically, because they have to run to meet with this or that person. They also go around doing sins. They are tired, they don't have time and maybe they run to their friend, to their friend. There they have all the time, go to dinners, go to lunches, go to have fun, and if a needy soul goes they don't confess it, they don't recommend it. "Come tomorrow, the day after tomorrow." Others disguise themselves as illnesses to become priests. They become priests out of desperation or for a comfortable life, because they cannot study what they want. They want something else, they want their freedom, they think that no one judges them as priests. This is not a real call! All these things hurt Me! They touch my body and my blood, they are not happy with the gift I give them and they trample me with sin. I immolated myself on the cross for the whole world, but especially for them. How much money they spend to buy cars, clothes, they change one a day. How many poor people go to their door to ask for something and they say to him: "We live with the Mass", and they do not help him. Those who seek a favor and deceive them: "I do it, I have spoken, I have not spoken", a lot of lies and cheating. The true priest must first have the call and then he must know what he is going towards: love of God, love of neighbor, living charity with souls.
Jesus and the pain of mothers
Jesus: I am saddened by the war, because many innocent people fall like the leaves of trees. I take them to heaven, but I can't repair a mother's pain. I give her strength, I give her comfort, but she is of body and blood. If I grieve that I am infinite and divine joy, imagine an earthly mother who loses a child, reacts the soul and the body. The heart goes away with the children and that mother has a broken heart all her life. So I break it for the whole world. I want you all safe. That's why I choose victim souls, to repair these big sins. My daughter, I have chosen you! There is a drawing! I know you are suffering. I console you, I love you, I love you. You offer, you are always ready, but you can't take it anymore. If you weren't close, by now you would have died, but your body has long since been destroyed. Do you keep destroying? I'm sorry, it's not me, but it's the sins of men that destroy you, as they destroy my heart. You find strength next to me and lean on me as I lean on you. I am your comforter, but you are also mine. I have chosen many souls, but not all respond to me, they rebel against suffering. They are right, because the body does not resist. You, on the other hand, have created you since you were in your mother's womb, I made you mine, not of your father, not of your mom and not even of your children.
Natuzza: (laughing) Sir, did you take advantage then?
Jesus: I did not take advantage, I found the right ground, an available land that bears fruit. Where do the farmers plant? Where it makes it more. I chose you, I made you as I wanted and I found the ground that corresponds to the fruits I desire.
Jesus love and suffering (offerings)
Natuzza: Sir, do you take the joys with arrogance? If you give me joy, will you come back for it?
Jesus: You cannot offer me joys, but you can offer them to others. You offer me people's pains.
Natuzza: My Jesus, I offer you the joy of this day. You already know what you have given me.
Jesus: But when I don't give you pain, you reproach me and you say to me: "Lord, why did you leave me alone today?", Why wait for the joy that is accompanied by suffering. You suffer. And as much as your suffering is, ten times as much is my love for you and for the whole world. My daughter, you are suffering terribly, because on one side and the other you are always suffering either for men or for the family or because I am giving it to you. But as much as you offer me this suffering brings me so many souls. And I am happy and happy because you console my heart, bringing souls to heaven, to happiness. As long as a soul looks you in the eye once, give it to me. You give me this joy and I give you so much love. As you said? "A hundred years of purgatory is enough for you to save souls". That word consoled my heart, because I knew that you offered yourself. And why did I choose you? For nothing? Do not believe that I make pacts like men. I need creatures who have all the will to love, not out of selfishness, but without interest and not just me. You love me, you look for me and you offer me not for your family or for you, but you do it for the whole world, you do it for people who suffer, who find themselves in sickness and pain, for their soul, for those who don't accept suffering by charging it yourself. Here, my daughter, my friend because I love you madly, because I really love you.
You don't do things out of interest. There are people who pray in sad moments, when they need, and if they pray for others, that prayer is not lasting, it is momentary. He does it out of pity, not out of love. But did you understand what I say or not?
Natuzza: My lord, I'm so ignorant, can I understand these things? It seems to me that the whole world belongs to me and since I began to understand something, I say that everything that belongs to you belongs to me.
Jesus: And the riches ...
Natuzza: Don't provoke me like that, because you know that I have never sought riches.
Jesus: Yes, I know. You are looking for love for others. You seek for others not material but spiritual wealth. When you are material wealth you get excited. Do not get excited, because even those materials if used for a just reason are not a shame before God. Are you ashamed of what you are looking for?
Natuzza: No, my Lord, it's not that I'm ashamed, but there are many things that one can look for.
Jesus: What is it you want to look for?
Nâtuzza: The healing of the soul and body.
Jesus: That of the soul why?
Natuzza: To reach you. Jesus: Ah, did you get the sense?
Natuzza: Perhaps by dint of hearing that to save our soul we must look for things that concern you.
Jesus: And yes, you know a lot. And for the body? Not to suffer? Suffering can also mature the soul, it serves for salvation, for those who have patience.
Natuzza: So my husband who has no patience, have you already condemned him?
Jesus: I am not a judge who condemns. I am a judge who uses mercy. Instead the judge, many times, sells himself for money and does injustice. I don't do it injustice. They all lose, as long as they are willing to ask me.
Natuzza: My Lord, then do you have pride? And why does one have to look to get?
Jesus: This is not pride. One must be humiliated, must be humble, not insult me. My daughter, those who know me also insult me. For a little suffering there are many insults and insults that make me. That is why you are the repairing souls, repaired for those who blaspheme and for those who insult me. And I have the consolation of the souls that I have chosen. I have chosen all, but for all it is not a good choice.
Jesus and sins
Jesus: You wait for me as a soul in pain. I too am in pain, because my heart is grieved for blasphemies and sins. When people blaspheme insult me, when they sin, they hurt my heart. There are people on the edge of the precipice for money, it corrupts these creatures. I send them virgins, I send them as well, I send them like a lily and then force them to prostitution, to impure sins, to drugs, to so many very serious sins and my heart is wounded, as is yours. You see these things, when you don't see them I transmit them to you because you give me comfort and consolation. I know you are suffering, but since you were born you have given me your soul and your body. Because I made you like this, I wanted you like this, I always gave you strength, I still give it to you, but you don't give up because you thirst for suffering, for love and I thirst for good souls who support me in moments in which my heart is saddened by sinners. You have always given me good fruit.
Natuzza: Sir, what are good fruits?
Jesus: They are souls. When you bring me a soul, you console my heart, instead when a soul sins my heart is torn.
Natuzza: Sir, are you sad this morning? Jesus: I am sad for all sinners, for the world.
Natuzza: Sir, you have always been happy with me.
Jesus: I am happy to give you courage in your sufferings, because you are thirsty for sufferings to console my heart. I come and tell you that I suffer and that my heart cries for the world. I must also give you courage with my smile, with my joy and with my caresses. How do you find consolation? Just seeing me happy. I know that it saddens you today, that the whole day becomes sad and that you always think of the same thing. Think about my smile, joy and that I am always present in your heart, in your eyes. You see nothing else, even when you listen to the mass, when the priest speaks of the wonders of God. I am always present in your heart. that's right, that's nice, but enjoy something else.
Natuzza: Sir, the greatest enjoyment I have always had with you and I hope that you will assist me to the end.
Jesus: And after not?
Natuzza: Pure later. If you save me I will be sure to enjoy the joys.
Jesus: The joys, the wonders, the love, everything. I also enjoy the land. I am Jesus and do I not enjoy the things of the earth? When things on earth are going well, I have immense happiness in my heart. Why did I say "take care of everything and everyone"? To also enjoy the things of the earth. Can we be happy when we see all these scourges? At that moment we are grieved and afflicted, but one in affliction must also have the joy of God, the joy of Our Lady, the joy of angels, he must not always think of the things that happen in the world.
Jesus: it is the day of Calvary. Not like then, but worse because sins have increased. Do you miss the time? It is not the time you lack, but it is the devil who rests his paw and has fun, tries to destroy your joy. So thank me because you can keep it in your heart, as Our Lady kept things in her secret and in her hiding place. I love you the same, even when you don't highlight it, because who loves cannot lose love. Only man loses love, but God never, because God is in love with his children, with the whole world. You don't have five children, but you have billions. To you my words remain etched in the heart, just as the pains of the world remain to me. So you take them, accompany me, console me. I love you. Now let's go to the ordeal. Accompany me to support the cross.
Jesus: "sticks" to souls!
Jesus: Did you say that I am the beloved? So what are you doing? In the end you give up? Do not give up. If one gives up, she doesn't love. It is said that one must love "in joy and sickness".
Natuzza: Jesus, if you are there, love makes me smile, even at the last moment. But if you are not present, who do I smile with? With people?
Jesus: With blasphemers, with people who love you and love you, not as much as I do. I love you as much as I love everyone, but I have no answer. I have the answer in the moments of their sadness, in the moments of their need. The beloved is not only sought in necessity, it is sought in all moments of life, also in joy. Why are you looking for me when you need me? Help should not be asked only in necessity, but every day of life to be supported, not to make mistakes, to love and to pray. I am always attentive to you. Why don't you answer me? You must always seek me, especially when you are in pain to find peace and comfort, but also in joy to say: “Jesus, be with me, enjoy with me and I enjoy with you. Jesus I thank you, that you have given me this joy ”. When you have licit joy, do not think that they are there and that I rejoice together with you. And if it is a joy of sin, I cannot rejoice, you only make me suffer. Especially those who are accustomed to sin, the worse things are and the more you rejoice. Do not think of sin, think of the enjoyment of life, of your body, not of your soul. At that moment the soul does not exist, only pleasure exists. Think of idiocy, stupidity, finding corners to sin. My children, I address everyone. This is why you are taking the wrong path: because you do not know me and if you know me you are finding other friends. Those you know me, for every little thing you insult me; those who do not know me are afraid and you refuse to know me. Do not say: "I want to do the will of the Lord" and then the next day you steal the husband from a poor woman, who is perhaps my soul, a good soul. This is a serious sin.
Natuzza: Sir, I'm afraid when I take your chest.
Jesus: Yes, you have to beat them well.
Natuzza: If I take it with the bad guys ...
Jesus: You know a lot! Who taught you to do this?
Natuzza: The Madonna. Our Lady said to me: "They come curious, the first and second time, the third they convert, but for the sweetness".
Jesus: Our Lady is right. When she speaks she says holy and just words, because Our Lady knows more than I do. But you must also know this, even Our Lady told you, that I have given you three particular gifts, I don't say a hundred: humility, charity and love. Do you really know that I don't like you? This: speak and do not reproach.
Natuzza: I'm afraid they won't come back.
Jesus: They come back. If they are thirsty they come to drink, also for convenience, out of curiosity, because they want to know other things and, cheated by the devil, they think that you foresee the future and they say: "Why did you treat me like that, why did you give me a curious look, you didn't look at me, did you kick me out? Because?' And you can beat them there.
Natuzza: And what do I take the stick, Lord?
Jesus: No, with words. Being sweet, they penetrate the heart. When they go home they reflect. Do you know that there are people, especially men, who have come to ask for something and then don't sleep for two, three nights? And they say: "Should I go back?", However curiosity drives them and they come back. Use this method.
Natuzza: My lord, it seems that I am here.
Jesus: But you are as hard as iron. You say that the word is an instrument, but you are wrong here, it cannot be an instrument. When a person insults, one must defend oneself with a smile, with sweetness. But you are worth nothing.
Natuzza: Yes, Lord, I have always told you that I am an earth worm, that I am a rag.
Jesus: You justify yourself.
Natuzza: I don't justify myself, it's the truth. You are saying that I am worthless. I can't fight you. I'm not really worth anything.
Jesus: And yes, because you can't defend yourself. Let yourself get carried away. Someone offends you and you don't answer.
Natuzza: To offer that suffering to you.
Jesus: Since you were born you have said that you must always obey, even if they lead you. In fact, you went to the asylum for holy obedience and it was not necessary.
Natuzza: But if you told me not to go, I didn't go.
Jesus: It is not true that you obey everything I tell you. Sometimes you have disobeyed me to obey the superiors of the earth. You have always obeyed the bishop and the priest. And that's why I never took offense.
Natuzza wants everyone safe
While I was peeling the peas
Jesus: (smiling) I know why you do it. Of course not for these four beans? Are these the ones who have to go to heaven? You said the whole world.
Natuzza: For obstinate sinners that you don't want to forgive.
Jesus: Who told you I don't want to forgive them? Of course, I'm glad that you say: "Every grain, a soul in paradise", gives me glory and joy. You are sure that suffering is a gift, so you are sure that heaven will gain it for better or for worse.
Natuzza: Thank goodness.
Jesus: Why did you doubt? Suffering is a gift and when I make a gift I also make a reward.
Natuzza: And what is the reward? For the whole world, if not I don't accept it.
Jesus: And do you want to go to hell?
Natuzza: No, not in hell.
Jesus: And how long, 100 years of purgatory? Are you happy if I give them to you?
Natuzza: Of course, just save the others, all of them though.
Jesus: And what have we made agreements?
Natuzza: No pacts, I asked you and you smiled at me, so I'm sure. Those who smile accept. It is not so?
Jesus: Eh ... you really know a lot. What do you think these beans are? Anime?
Natuzza: They are not souls, they are beans and ...
Jesus: You eat them and I make promises to you.
Natuzza: But I don't want promises for myself, I want them for others.
Jesus: Yes, everything you want. You take me at my word. Let's see how you cope with 100 years of purgatory. But where do you want them, in the fire or in the mud?
Natuzza: Maybe in the mud.
Jesus: No, not in the mud, because you are not vain. Do I put you on fire?
Natuzza: Pure in the fire, as long as you save everyone.
Jesus: you have been in the fire, in the grinder, in the blender for a lifetime. Are not you happy? Do you still want the rest? I made you mechanic, I did everything I wanted. Do you also fix the pieces, do you also fix the machines and aren't you happy with this? Do you also want fire? I understand, look too much, my daughter!
Natuzza: So you're not going to make it?
Jesus: It's okay. Ask whatever you want. When one has granted one thing, one asks for other things. What do you want? Look for something else.
Natuzza: The hospital.
Jesus: Ask Mary. Maria asks for these things. She asks them to me, all united we do what you want. Do you want anything?
Natuzza: And what am I looking for? Nothing comes to mind.
Jesus: Do you want the church? This is obvious.
Natuzza: So if it is safe I can be happy.
Jesus: Yes, of course not! Our Lady promised you? She always keeps her promises. The father is a little tough, but the mother is humble, she is tender and grants. Sleep easy, because not only for how many peas there are, I send them to heaven. You know I'm not an executioner. I always told you that I use my goodness, my mercy. Do I do justice, to send everyone to hell?
Natuzza: Me too.
Jesus: What have you got to do with it. I could not send you, I would be an ungrateful dad. But I love everyone, not you alone.
Natuzza: And what are you doing with me! I don't want to be saved alone. I want to save everyone!
Jesus: And yes, you want to be in company.
Madonna: I love you. Jesus gave you many gifts, you know how to use them. Jesus gives the gifts to everyone, but you must make them available with humility. The Lord keeps promises. You will have joys. Move, move and do things quickly.
Natuzza: My Madonna, are you happy with the Cenacles?
Madonna: Multiply them! The Cenacles are the reparation of blasphemies, of sins that are done day by day.
Natuzza: How?
Madonna: Speaking. If you don't talk, how do they multiply?
Natuzza: Madonna mia, the hospital for the sick…
Our Lady: Beautiful daughter, you seek, because Jesus grants you. For what you give to him, he gives double to you.
Natuzza: What do you give me? It seems that I lie down in the hospital?
Our Lady: You lie down, you lie down, even in the hospital, to watch over the sick.
Jesus rests in the hearts that love him
He touched my foot and said:
Jesus: I wouldn't want to put this nail on you, as they put it on me then. Unfortunately not only then, but day by day with this nail, with sin, they hurt my heart. The whole world, but especially the priests. And this heart of mine is pained. I immolated myself on the cross for sinners. I want them safe. You yourself, who are one of the earth, that you are not a spirit, that you are a sore body you say: "I want to suffer, to save the world, even 100 years of purgatory". Suffer you who offered yourself for the love of men, let alone I am the father of the whole world! I put up with them and forgive them because I am the father of mercy, because I am love. it is out of love that I gave my body that I immolated myself on the cross. Day by day, hour by hour, moment by moment my heart is torn. Nobody understands these things. My daughter, few are those you understand and then I support you. I always rest when you call me and when you call me. I rest in you, not because you spare me the pain, because I always have pain for men, but because you accompany me as when a friend asks you for a word of comfort and you give it to her. And so I comfort myself, I lean on your heart. I know you are suffering, but my daughter we suffer together.
Natuzza: Jesus, I am happy that I suffer with you; I would like to suffer, but not you.
Jesus: Daughter, if I didn't suffer, I wouldn't make you suffer. I need your company too. Should I lean on someone, yes or no? What do you say? You feel the desire to tell your things, the pains of the heart, you feel the need to let off steam. As people let off steam with you, I too feel the need to speak to the whole world because I want his salvation.
The "thirst" of Jesus
Jesus: Hi, daughter of my soul! Oh love for the world, I love you! Maybe you regret that I use you for the good of others? But I don't want you to suffer so much, I don't want to! But your suffering is my gift. Don't say I'm selfish, I want your support and your love. As you have love for a child, I have it for the whole world. See how great the suffering is! And if you have it for a son who suffers, imagine me suffering for so many children. When you suffer and I caress you, you are joyful, but I also become sad because I give you pain. But pain serves many things. You are a lightning rod. I choose many lightning rods, but you have the will and you are the strongest, because you go in search and always say that you thirst for suffering for the love of others. And when you want a glass of water, you want it to save a soul and to save a person's body. You say, "Lord, I want a glass of water." so is suffering. Don't regret it, I love you and I love you. I am always close to you. You hear me, you listen to me, you see me, you have all these joys. I can't give these joys to everyone. To those who do not console me, to those who do not know me, to those who do not love me, to those who insult me, I cannot give the same joy.
Natuzza: Sir, what is joy? That you sent me healthy children?
Jesus: No, this is not the only real joy. The most beautiful joy is that I thirst for souls and you conquer them and bring them to me with suffering, with humility, with charity and with love. You have a great love because I transmit it to you. Remember that when I am present you do not feel pain, you feel joy; you have any physical pain, but not moral or spiritual because I rest in you and you rest in me.
Teachings of Jesus
Jesus: The world is not light, it is darkness because sins increase more and more. Thanks to the Madonna, thanks to you who work a lot and always talk about the Madonna and me, thanks to these Cenacles, the prayer has increased a little. But compared to sins, prayer is not enough, it should be multiplied at least 40.000 times for the reparation of sins and to rejoice my heart, to give joy to you and joy to all good souls.
Natuzza: Sir, you are beautiful!
Jesus: I fell in love with your soul.
Natuzza: And who created my soul?
Jesus: Me. I chose you when you were in your mother's womb and I made you the way I wanted.
Natuzza: And how did you want me?
Jesus: I wanted you humble, charitable, full of love, full of joy and full of charity, to comfort your neighbor. But I have given everyone something, but they do not respond, they are like the children in the family. They insult me. Don't they know me? I love them all the same. I also love those who insult me, even those who do not know me. I love everyone.
Natuzza: That's what your mercy is Jesus. You said that if they slap us we have to turn the other cheek. I am the first not to.
Jesus: Yet how many slaps did you take. You don't understand what slap means. What did you understand by slap, that they really hit you in the face? The slap is the insult.
Natuzza: I still didn't understand it.
Jesus: And when you understand things, when do you get here?
Natuzza: Maybe yes.
Jesus: And nobody here insults you. You can take a slap as a joke, instead an insult is a real slap. Accept these slaps and offer them. If you offer them you have great merits, if you do not offer them you will have the mortification twice, of the one who insults you and also the other who tempts you. If one gives it to you, and you give it to him, you sin both. Instead accept the slap and offer it to bring peace. Even if you don't forget the slap, at least put peace in your heart. These of the earth are bad, selfish people. Every 100 there is one that makes peace, because it loves me and knows that when there is no peace I suffer. Where there is no peace, there is no God! Instead others say: “I don't get taken for an idiot. You gave me one, I give you 100 ", and they avenge themselves because they feel struck in pride. Pride is not good, pride does not reign and if it reigns it does not last. Why doesn't it last? By my will. Nobody bears and offers. Instead those who keep silent and offer, have merits and I reward them.
The consolations of Jesus
Natuzza: Jesus, how many things I could do and I didn't do them.
Jesus: What you have not done before you do today, what you do not do today, you will do tomorrow.
Natuzza: What does that mean?
Jesus: You can do it over there. From there you can pray, because you don't miss the time and there aren't those who disturb you. Jesus: You die of passion and another does not touch me I miss with the thought. I don't exist for this. I suffer not for myself, but I suffer for her who does not know that I am there. Why doesn't it have to have this joy that you have? You pass it on to someone, and yet, after a day, after two, after a month, for a foolishness, love passes, joy passes, everything passes. It is not true love, as it is not for a husband given by force, to whom love escapes at any moment. But my love does not escape, because I love everyone in the same way and I want this love to be transmitted for your good, for the good of souls, to build a new world. But nobody thinks about it. Everyone says, "God chastised us." No, I do not punish, I give some proof, I use some proof to recover the good of souls. Blessed is the one that is chosen. And who do I choose? I choose a person who can offer, who truly knows me deep in the heart. And I choose it as a lightning rod. I can't choose one to give it a try and then it's totally damned. So what am I vindictive? I am God of mercy. I help you, I protect you, in suffering I am close to you. I told you, knock and I open you, because in my heart there is room for everyone. Why are you going away from my heart?
Natuzza: Lord I would like to love you for those who do not love you, I would like to pray for those who do not pray to you, I would like to suffer for those who do not accept suffering, I would like to suffer for those who do not have the strength to suffer. I wish you would forgive and give me pain. Forgive the whole world! It doesn't matter to me that I am in purgatory for 100 years, as long as it takes everyone to heaven! Lord, I pray for those who don't pray. Forgive me if I pray a little, I should pray more.
Jesus: All good deeds are prayer, work is prayer, the words you say are prayer. You console my heart for those who don't console me, do double those few who console me.
The love of Jesus
Jesus: My soul, were you expecting me?
Natuzza: Sir, I always wait for you.
Jesus: Am I not always present? Sometimes you see me, other times you hear me in thought. Sometimes I speak to you of presence, other times I speak to your heart. You do not believe in the heart, but in the presence yes.
Natuzza: I don't believe in the heart, because the devil can speak to me.
Jesus: The devil does not speak to you because he is afraid.
Natuzza: Finally! Have you scared him?
Jesus: I avoid it. And then you have the willpower and as Our Lady taught you you say: "Jesus, come to my aid". I am always ready. I do not help you alone, but all those who seek me and also those who do not seek me. Those who want do not give up. Do you want to lose a child? No. See how bitter you are?
I am embittered all over the world. Do not believe that someone has a joy and says: "Thank you, Lord, for the joy you have given me". No. They take joy and I'm happy because for that joy they don't blaspheme. I'm sorry because later they lose their reason and insult me. Are you not always close to a child who insults you? I do the same.
Jesus: distribute love
Jesus: If you look at your hand, I am there with open hands, as a sign of the resurrected, with the apostles looking at me.
Jesus placed his hand on my knee saying:
You are the wood of my cross. I made the wood out of your body to lean on it. You suffer with me. Daughter, you suffer, but when you know that with your suffering we have saved 10 souls, 20 souls, you are consoled, the pain passes, you do not count what you have suffered. Nobody can understand these things better than you. But don't you want to understand them?
Natuzza: I don't realize if I understand them.
Jesus: How do you not realize. If someone comes who says abuse, idiocy, who lives in sin and then cries and repents? I miss this you understand?
Natuzza: You say I understand it?
Jesus: Of course! There is no joy if there is no pain. First there is pain, then joy. With your suffering we have saved many souls.
Natuzza: Lord, I would like to describe your beauty, your love, your intelligence, your joy when you speak, the joy you transmit to me.
Jesus: Distribute the Love.
Natuzza: Jesus, how can I distribute it, I can go with everyone to preach, a poor ignorant. You had to give me intelligence, the sense since I was a child, so I used to preach, to describe how beautiful you are and that you are full of love.
Jesus: Not only full of love, but also full of mercy. Remember this word, which is the most important word: I am full of mercy. I have mercy for everyone and you tell them! Even for those who don't know me. This is why I tell you to distribute love. This is love: charity for others, mercy for others. One must always say a few words even for those who don't believe. It's not that you have to tell him to believe by force. You have to talk to him, like a story, like a fairy tale. Someone reflects and thinks about it. So here you have to distribute love, always speak that God is good, full of love and mercy. Pray and speak.
Jesus: Prepare that we go to flush 1.000 souls!
Jesus: Prepare us to save 1000 souls.
Natuzza: My Jesus, my Jesus!
Jesus: This is the worst fall. I had severe knee pain that I passed out
Calm down, you say you want 100 years of purgatory to save the world. We save a thousand for a fall! This is the last fall, but it is the strongest.
Natuzza: Despite the pain I had, it made me laugh to see how he said it
Jesus: Do you smile?
Natuzza: Of course! If we save 1000 souls, I just smile!
Jesus: Ah ... you are really thirsty for suffering! See it's stronger.
Natuzza: If you are Jesus and you allow this suffering to come to me, you must also give me strength.
Jesus: Of course! When did I not give you strength? Did you complain sometimes? I've always given you the strength. Before you were born, I prepared these things, but day after day I gave you strength. You always did Lent. Of course there are beautiful days and there are bad days. What do you say these are ugly?
Natuzza: No.
Jesus: And speak! Why are you silent?
Natuzza: You speak for me, because I can't do it.
Jesus: You can do it, if I want it, you can do it!
Natuzza: So you do it out of spite, my Jesus, not to make it?
Jesus: You can do it!
Natuzza: I don't want anything, the salvation of the world.
Jesus: What I want! Do I want something else? I thirst for souls, I thirst for love, because I distribute love and I want it distributed by those who lean on me. You leaned and I leaned on you. I found the right reason.
Natuzza: Which one?
Jesus: Why don't you rebel.
Natuzza: And how do I rebel against you Jesus?
Jesus: Yet there are people who rebel.
Natuzza: O my beautiful Lord, O my Jesus, but people do not know you! I who know you and have fallen in love with you, I cannot rebel. When one loves, one does not rebel.
Jesus: Did you see? I love everyone, not the same way because they don't answer me. Which mother, or which father does not care for a child who is reckless? Indeed he loves him more to mature him.
Natuzza: And am I mature?
Jesus: Yes!
Natuzza: And who matured me if I don't have a father, I don't have a mom? Nobody taught me a lesson.
Jesus: I will teach you the lessons day by day. You learn them and I'm happy. So I use you.
Natuzza: Ah ... so they don't love you on purpose? Why do you use them.
Jesus: No, but they don't know that I use them. I use a person when he is available, smiling.
Natuzza: Then take advantage because I smile!
Jesus: No, you are thirsty for love, suffering and pure joy. I have always given you all these things, until the end I give them to you. Because one must not be happy only when she comes to heaven and embraces me, she must also be happy on earth. You are happy. If you suffer and if you do not suffer, you are always happy. Do you remember any happy days? Only when you see me.
Natuzza: Sir, why when I see you?
Jesus: Because you are in love.
Natuzza: And could I fall in love as a child?
Jesus: And why don't the little ones fall in love? The little ones when they bring him the toys are happy and content, they caress their uncle, they caress their mother. They are happy and content. So you are happy. I raised you in pain and joy. Why are you talking about father and mother? Why am I not a father and a mother? Did you want her more beautiful? Did you want him more beautiful? And why am I ugly? I will refresh you. My poor daughter, I would not like to make you suffer, but you have joy for me and joy because we save souls.
Natuzza: I looked at it and then I collapsed.
Jesus: Rest, rest.
Jesus: When you communicate joy everyone thinks: "If this is joyful, why don't I have to become joyful?". It converts. I like the conversion of souls. it is a beautiful thing to distribute love. There are people who draw on love, communicate it and make an expansion to other friends, to those they know. Multiply love. Multiply the Upper Room. I like what Madonna likes. it's a beautiful thing! it is a chain of love that brings souls. what am I looking for? Souls. Our Lady said this also to console my heart.
Jesus: Did you expect me?
Natuzza: Not at this hour, sir. I was waiting for you first. I thought you didn't come and that you would come tomorrow.
Jesus: Don't you remember? I always come on Tuesday. The first time they measured you the crown was on Tuesday.
Natuzza: Sir, but are you angry with me?
Jesus: Not angry, sorry, but not for you. I do my part to make you suffer. But this suffering is necessary. For each thorn we save a hundred souls. It is not that I take it off to give it to you, because I always suffer for the sins of the world, however, standing close to me helps me, it stings me less, because you take half of it. Offer it for the sinners of the world who make me suffer so much. It is true that prayers increase, but sins also increase because man is always discontented, he is uncontainable, he always wants more with wickedness, with sin. This pains me. I like a person when he wants more, when he makes the sacrifice to earn it, not when he robs his friend, brother, takes advantage of him to make the billions, the millions, the buildings. No, this is sorry, it pains me, how painful the sacrifices that make those innocent people do to sell drugs, to earn money. They pain me. That's why thorns sting us. And I seek help for the souls I have chosen. I know they suffer. I should give you a crown of diamonds because you have given me my whole life. You gave me the heart, but men suffer the suffering of long years.
Natuzza: Lord to men? No, it is not true that to men, I offer it to you.
Jesus: Offer it to me to save sinners. I want to save them because for each of them it takes a thorn out of me.
Natuzza: Lord, for all the thorns you give me on the head, few men you save!
Jesus: That's not true. For each thorn I save thousands, because you offer it with all my heart. If she were another at this hour she would have denied me, but love with all thorns has increased for you, because ever since you were born you have always been, me for you and you for me, eternal love. Love cannot be canceled. Love is canceled when it is a man of the earth who makes a mistake; then love escapes, yet a few pinches remain. But it's not the love I have for you. Not for you alone, but for the whole world, even for the reckless children and great sinners and sinners. I have love for everyone. It is they who have no love for me. Every thousand I find one and lean on it. I want to be consoled, you console me with all the suffering and with all the love. Always love me, because I love the whole world. See, when you bring me a person, I have great joy. My love is great for the whole world. See how you say it? Every grain, even of peas, you say, I want a soul. Why do you want this soul even if it doesn't belong to you? You read my heart. The school that I did to you was impressed. I thirst for souls. You are also thirsty. I am thirsty and you are parched because you want to see me happy.
Natuzza: Who doesn't want to see a father happy?
Jesus: I am father and mother. There are those who are in love with the dad and not the mother, there are those who are in love with the mother and not the father. I became father and mother because my love is great for the world. Distribute this love to him, make him understand how much you are in love with me. Even those close to you talk about me, they draw something. Even if they don't have the same love, they learn something. I preach to their heart, their heart does not respond because it is not open to me, but to the things of the earth, they think they must never leave them. You leave everything, only me they cannot leave, because I am waiting for them and I will not leave them. How do you say? I won't quit you. And I'm the same, I don't leave you because a father, a mother, can never leave their children.
Natuzza: Jesus, I wanted to go to school. If my father was there, I think he sent me.
Jesus: But you don't need school. I don't want scientist souls.
Natuzza: And it seems that my soul is a scientist? I don't even know my soul as I did it.
Jesus: Don't worry, you did it well because I made it for you.
Natuzza: Jesus, but you did not create it only for me, you created it for everyone. You created the body and the soul you. So why do you say that dad has it all? There are those who die and don't have it.
Jesus: Didn't your father die to you? I'm still alive, see, I'm alive forever. It was time for you to die late or early. What could your father give you? What I taught you, your father didn't teach you. There are many dads who teach their children badness, they say: "If that gives you a hit, give it ten, defend yourself with punches and kicks!" They don't say to him: "Defend yourself with love, with calm, with charity, with kindness". Here, is this a real dad? I am the real dad and I want this love, I want each of you to think about what he does.
Natuzza: Lord, don't say that, you love everyone, you also love criminals.
Jesus: Yes. If a father is right, he goes to meet his son to take him home. If he's a busted father, he says, "Leave him alone." How many fathers and mothers throw their child away, because they make mistakes, instead of embracing him, welcoming him back, being an example. And how many defend each other, father and son, and say: "Did you not do these things before me?". What is this? A bad example. How are children recovered? With love, with joy, with tenderness.
Natuzza: Sir, I destroy myself thinking about these things, but I don't understand them very well.
Jesus: I tell you in plain words to be able to understand them, but you don't realize what I say, not for the intelligence, because as I say the hens also understand them, but because you are excited. After 70 years you still get excited. Why, am I a strict dad?
Natuzza: No, Jesus, you are too good and maybe if you treated me rigorously I was careful and I learned more.
Jesus: And what did you want to do? Did you want to bury yourself? I already buried you with all this scourged body. Isn't that enough for you? As you thirst for love you thirst for suffering. Love is one thing, suffering is another. You never say enough.
Natuzza: Jesus, and if you look for it I can deny it! it's like someone who comes to my house and asks me for a piece of bread, I give him two pieces of bread. When you come you say to me: "Accept this suffering that we convert 1000 souls", I say: "Lord, do twice that we make 2000 souls", because I am thirsty as you are. When you say: "Let's save souls", I have an interest in saving my soul first, because I don't want to go to hell, then the whole world, but all over the world I also want my relatives.
Jesus: You know it long. And why do I save the world and leave your relatives out? Pure to console you!
Natuzza: Jesus, am I not consoled if you save others?
Jesus: Yes, of course not. You asked for 100 years of purgatory, isn't that enough? Do you want 200?
Natuzza: Just save 1000 as many as the whole world.
Jesus: But shut up! Don't ask for it. Suffering from a lifetime was not enough! Since you were in your mother's womb you have suffered. You realized you were suffering when you were five, six years old, why you never understood it. I didn't even tell you by song, that I chose you. Now do you understand that I have chosen you?
Natuzza: Only for suffering, Lord, have you chosen me?
Jesus: No, also for the joys.
Natuzza: With joy I endure suffering, because you know that I really love you more than my children and more than my life.
Jesus: Sure, because you made it available for the sins of the world.
Then he raised his hand to bless
Natuzza: Jesus don't go away. Now I ask you for consolation.
Jesus: And what do you want me to always be with you? But I'm always with you, but don't you want to understand it? Do not you hear me? You are deaf of ear, but not of heart. The heart feels and throbs and I have it big and I made it big for you too. There is room for everyone in my heart, even for you, for suffering and for men.
Oh my soul, don't tremble! Speak that I answer you.
Natuzza: Cut my tongue because I get restless, because I make a lot of people sorry.
Jesus: And why do you say these things? It is not true that you are sorry. You do one thing: you shake them. Even if at that moment they feel offended, then they reflect and say that you were right. Do you know what they say? Not that you see me, not that you see Our Lady, but: "This woman who says these things is inspired".
Natuzza: Jesus, now I'm going to ask you a question, I have a curiosity.
Jesus: And speak, speak!
Natuzza: Sometimes the priest in church says, "Nobody saw Jesus." I think: I have seen it. So isn't it? Am I crazy? But did I really see you? Am I seeing you? Or am I crazy? Do I have something in my eyes?
Jesus: You really see me. Those who truly love me see me with the heart, but not with the eyes. I created your eyes on purpose. Do you see that every now and then Padre Pio insults you? Because your eyes are different from others.
Natuzza: Why did the crystal get hurt or why did I suffer from eye disease? Because?
Jesus: No, I wanted your eyes after so many pains and so many sufferings, to see so many things, to be accompanied also with refreshment and beauty. Don't you see the suffering with your eyes? You see them. Do you see yourself as martyred? You are in a blender that blends you, you are in a grinder that squeezes you, you are in a limestone of fire that burns you. Don't you see these things, don't you hear them? Even with your eyes you see beautiful things. See the sins, see some person who sins and grieves you. As you see that you must also see the things that give you pleasure, that give you joy.
Natuzza: My Jesus, two more days are left.
Jesus: For you all your life has been Lent. Have you never given up and now you finally give up? No, don't give up because I'm ready to comfort those who suffer, especially you.
Natuzza: Why me? Why do I have a long tongue, do I speak too much? I told you to cut it. You didn't want to.
Jesus: The language is used to speak, I don't cut it. If you had cut your tongue, how many times you are asking me, you would have lost not you but me many souls. And so, with this long tongue, as you say, you have brought me thousands more and I want this. You said to me: "Jesus, until the last day, make me say a few words to those who knock on my door." Beautiful promises you make! I always keep promises, you don't keep them. Already day by day you say: "Lord, make me die because I no longer serve any purpose".
Natuzza: What do I need Jesus for? Just nothing.
Jesus: Even if you look with your eyes, serve. When a person comes, he first looks at your eyes and then reflects in your heart.
Natuzza: Jesus, but do I reproach them?
Jesus: I've been telling you to speak loud for a long time and you didn't want to, but every time you say a few words you say you stick them. After you reprimanded them, it is not that they speak badly at that moment, but make some judgments that are not right. When they return after an hour, two hours think differently because the scolded one shakes them. You say it's a beating, but that's a password to touch the heart. I put the words in your mouth, you say that they are beaten, but they are not beaten, they are calls to attention for their soul. And how many you brought me! This is why I am happy. I love you and care for you. Do not worry about this nonsense, because these are sensible words.
Natuzza: I don't understand.
Jesus: Sometimes I hear you say that your word is an instrument. And what tool is it? You are not good for anything.
Natuzza: Oh, my Jesus, I always tell you that I am not good for anything, that I am a worm, that I am a rag, that I am also a lousy. I've always told you. Now you repeat it to me, it's the truth.
Jesus: And you turn it as you want, you know it long.
Natuzza: Jesus, I ...
Jesus: I'll tell you what you mean: that you judged me differently. I am Jesus, you cannot judge me. I judge and forgive, if you judge, you do not forgive.
Natuzza: You don't joke around, don't fool me with wounds.
Jesus: I'll make you a caress. Here is what you say: "Beautiful caress of Jesus!".
Natuzza: No, I'm not saying "nice caress". I say: "Ouch", I don't want to say it, forgive me.
Jesus: Suffering is also a gift of mine to conquer souls. There have been men who have felt bad for three days. Men who for two, three nights have not fallen asleep thinking about these injuries. Thinking about wounds, they think of me, before they didn't think of me. How many who did not know me have reconciled to me now know me.
Natuzza: My Lord, is it true that those who know you insult you? Then other insults I brought you.
Jesus: Blasphemy is an outlet. They do not lose the most foolish things, the evil they do to those innocents.
Natuzza: O Jesus, now you discourage me if you say you don't forgive! We have always said that you must forgive everyone.
Jesus: And you command me?
Natuzza: I do not command you, but your heart is full of mercy, it cannot condemn them.
Jesus: Daughter, you do not see these things, because you see little television, but I, who am Jesus, see the earth bathed in blood, the corpses are like the garbage, upside down, the grieving mothers who cry for their children , the children who cry for their mothers and their dead fathers. Who cries for the children and who cries for the parents. Here, they are people who do not do it by chance and, in your opinion, can they be forgiven? But these do it on purpose for power. Power must not be on this earth, power must be in Heaven. These do not know Me and do not even know the hungry creatures; not only do they not give them a living, but they kill them for taste, for pleasure.
Natuzza: Enough, I'm tired.
Jesus: it is right. But I have to tell you these things for your children.
Natuzza: For children all over the world, who belong to me as they belong to you. Everything that belongs to you belongs to me.
Jesus: As I said at the beginning, when did you start here? Didn't your children have mom? Someone gets jealousy, but I didn't do it for your children. I, when you were in your mother's womb, I made this choice: you had to be the mother of everyone who approaches you, of those you know and those you don't know, you must be everyone's mother. When you didn't want to get married, I said to you: "Accept the assignment, because you do one thing and the other, you commit yourself to everything and for everyone", and you have done it up to now, you have consoled my heart.
Natuzza: My lord, couldn't you choose someone to teach me to read and write?
Jesus: And what do you want to become learned? I don't accept the learned, I accept ignorant like you. You say you are ignorant, but you are sensitive to two things, even to ten things, but to two in particular: love and suffering. I have given you humility, charity and love for men.
Natuzza: And only for men?
Jesus: No, I say men to say everyone. I gave you this. With this gift that I gave you, I have conquered millions and millions of souls.
Natuzza: Okay, you gave it to me, but I didn't give it to others; I didn't even know it was a gift. I behave like this because it is my nature and my ignorance can create many problems.
Jesus: Humility doesn't look at ignorance, charity doesn't look at ignorance, love doesn't look at ignorance. I look at the heart, because in your heart there is room for everyone, as in mine. Every now and then you say: "I have a sick heart the size of a cow."
Natuzza: Yes, it's true.
Jesus: How many people are in this heart? Tell me.
Natuzza: I don't know, my children are in my heart, I gave birth to them.
Jesus: No, everyone goes to your heart. You like that they say that they love you, that they caress you, that they pray for you, that they are close to you. Aren't you happy with this? I gave you this gift. Aren't you grateful to Me?
Natuzza: Yes, my Jesus, you gave me gifts, but the best gift is that I can see you, because otherwise ...
Jesus: What do you mean otherwise?
Natuzza: I don't know.
Jesus: And don't pretend you know it.
Natuzza: Oh my Jesus, do you want to make fun of me?
Jesus: No, I'm not making fun of you. You mean that the worst gift I gave you, is to give you suffering because your body is in a windmill. The wind blowing you is me, but the body is blended. So this is the worst gift, a great suffering? Look, once you said to me: "I would like to be worthy of dying on the cross like you." And more cross than this! From life you are always on the cross, because every person who comes brings you his burden and with your sensitivity, you always take the sufferings of others, only that you have my joy, because you always see me smiling at you, that I make you a caress, I tell you nice words. You see the suffering of others on television. These too make you suffer, not just the sores. These are the real sores, the pains of people because you know that they afflict my heart. I suffer and want to be consoled. I have chosen many souls to act as lightning rods for sins, but also to console My heart.
Natuzza: What do you do with an ignorant like me?
Jesus: I could speak to scientists about great science, but not to you. I use humble means to do good to men. I cannot use the scientist, because, by nature and by My gift, he has the intelligence for the exercise of good.
Natuzza: O Jesus, could you not give me intelligence? I would have done something beautiful.
Jesus: And more beautiful than this! Scientists do not see me, scientists do not speak and neither do their hearts open to Me. That is why they remain trapped in sin, because, without Me, they cannot do anything. If they call me, I answer, because I am always next to them, next to you all. I make no difference in race or between an ignorant and an intelligent. I am close to everyone, but I want to be called and if you do not know me, try to know me and you will see that I am happy and you will also like what I suggest.
Natuzza: Jesus, this year you have given me a beautiful thing.
Jesus: And speak, speak. I know what you mean.
Natuzza: In the past lent, for two or three weeks I never came to Mass. This year I come to Mass, I take communion and I am happier, I think that on purpose I overcome the sufferings.
Jesus: What do you say, what do you say.
Natuzza: This tells my heart and this I say to thank you.
Jesus: You lived the same Mass even if you didn't come. You must say, every morning: "Lord I offer you my aching body, this is my body, these are my wounds, these are my pains and my sufferings, I offer them to you". This is Mass. Not like that priest who mechanically says, "This is my body, this is my blood." If you notice it, sometimes they think elsewhere and are distracted, because the little devil knocks at their heart even in the Mass. When you were a child I used to caress you and say to you: "Good daughter, good daughter". And you out of habit repeat it to everyone: "Good daughter, good daughter". Another thing that you like I like: "Goodbye ma'am, go in peace", because you wish him peace.
Jesus: Accompany me to Calvary, man's wickedness makes us suffer.
Natuzza: Lord, this pains me, because I see you pained.
Jesus: Do not grieve, offer your pain, even pain is a gift that I have given you.
Natuzza: Sir, how I would like to die for you.
Jesus: But you die every day, only your body dies, but your spirit never dies.
Natuzza: Lord, I would like to be worthy of dying on the wood of the cross, to be nailed like you, I would like to have this joy.
Jesus: Why aren't you on the wood of the cross? You are always there, from when you were born until today. You have always accompanied me with joy in the soul, despite having pain and suffering on the body. This comforts me, you lean with me on the wood of the cross and I lean on your heart. I know that you are afflicted by many anxieties, by the anxieties of the world. There are families that are destroyed and give Me many pains and sorrows because instead of concentrating on faith, they concentrate on sin. If anyone has a displeasure he must also say: "I reconcile myself with God" and ask humbly: "Lord, give me a hand". But they don't want a hand, they take the hand of temptation more easily. They do not live with joy, with the spirit of God, but with the spirit of the devil.
My love, how much I love you, how much I love you. You have always been in my heart, you have given me everything, the soul, the body. I can't complain about you. You're the one who's complaining, you're not really complaining, you're accusing yourself. You have nothing to reproach yourself, because you have always done what I have told you, you have always answered my questions, you have always answered the sufferings that I asked you. To be loved, one must answer. I love the whole world and always have pain and pain in my heart, because I always see it living in sin. I immolated myself on the cross for the whole world, especially for consecrated souls, because they propose and do not keep. They say they make the vow and it is not true, because they are false, like those who go to mass and say they are with God. Many times it is an appearance. They are whitewashed tombs, they want to appear but do not do what is right, they exploit the people, they exploit the friend in need. So, my daughter, they do with me. They are years without knowing me and then in time of need they know me as any friend for one two days. But I don't want temporary friendship, I want friendship forever, because I want to save them with me in Heaven. They insult me, they insult me, they cannot say a good word to their brother or sister, they act as if they don't know each other. This I'm sorry. Distribute love instead of hate! You are used to hatred, but I don't accept hatred, I accept love for others. My daughter, you have given so much love and how many distresses, how many contrarieties you have had! I taught you forgiveness and you have always forgiven.
Natuzza: Sir, I am unconscious, perhaps on purpose pardon. If they take me with a stick, after two days I pass and forgive the same, I say that that person had a moment of anger, was full of pain and did not think about what he said. Then I say: "Lord, for your love, forgive me".
Jesus: You say this and I'm happy, otherwise I would also feel sorry for you.
Natuzza: O Lord, I have made many shortcomings, but if you take it, forgive me, give me the purgatory that I deserve and accept. I love you and love you. You say you love me madly, but I love you as much as you love me, maybe I can't show you the love you want. Accept me as I am, a poor ignorant, a poor fool; also accept my stupidity.
Our Lady: My daughter, it is a whole life that you suffer and continue to suffer. Suffering is a gift from the Lord.
Natuzza: Does these gifts also make the Lord suffer?
Our Lady: Everything does the Lord and everything prepares ahead of time.
Jesus: (embracing me) Accept this suffering for consecrated souls, especially for priests, because I want them saved. If you don't console me, who consoles me? Is there anyone else? Do you know someone?
Natuzza: It seems that I am telling you beautiful things? I would like to tell you nice words, but every time I try to tell you, I bite my tongue, because either I don't have the courage or I think you can take it badly.
Jesus: And that I am a man of the earth? The people on earth take it, not me. You can say what you want. I want consulate because I want these saved souls. Offer this suffering and I save them.
All sinners hurt my heart.
Natuzza: I implore your mercy.
Jesus: Rest, stay calm because I save them. I console you because you have always consoled me.
Natuzza: Thanks, Jesus.
Jesus: You suffered a lot, can I say enough? You once told me that you want to make death on the cross. Not for once have you done it, you've been doing it every day since you were born. Are not you happy?
Natuzza: Yes, I'm happy for you.
Jesus: Do you want these saved souls as I want them? I know it's right and I have to say enough, because I can't use you until the last day. I have used you for long years, now can I say enough?
Natuzza: I say yes only when you say it, otherwise I will never say it. You say you want to be comforted with these sufferings and I am always ready.
Jesus: Send the joy and make it pass on to everyone, who does not have it.
Jesus: Resurrect with me. I wish the whole world rose from sin. The body may suffer, but the soul if it is lost is a pain for them and also for me. My daughter, is it all gone? is it all over in your opinion? It is not finished, it has not passed. There are always sins and you have the pain until the last day. Accept it, offer it as you know. So many souls you brought me and how many of them happen to you bring me. Suffering is my gift to save souls and to be a lightning rod for sins. Are you rejoicing this morning?
Natuzza: Yes, Lord, I rejoice.
Jesus: Why am I resurrected? I have always risen, but the pain of souls who lose themselves always makes me suffer. Souls who go in search of Me find comfort, otherwise they fall like the leaves of the tree in autumn.
Natuzza: Lord save them! You promised me! Now do you withdraw the word?
Jesus: No, I always keep my promises. You know that I am mercy, charity, love, but sometimes I do justice.
Natuzza: Do not do justice to it, always do charity, for a soul you immolated yourselves on the cross.
Jesus: No for a soul, for millions of souls, but particularly for consecrated persons. I am merciful and you continually ask me for this mercy.