ʻO ka mea moʻohelena ʻO Ivan e ʻōlelo nei no Medjugorje "ma luna o ke kanakolu makahiki o nā hiʻohiʻona"

"E ka makuahine, pehea lā kou nani loa?" He lā lōʻihi loa ia mai ka wā ʻōpio ʻo Ivan Dragicevic, ʻo ia kekahi o nā mea ʻike maka ʻo Medjugorje, i mālama i ka nīnau nui, a hiki i ka wā ʻike, kuhi ʻia e ka ʻikekikopa, ʻaʻole hiki iā ia ke pale kūʻē i ka hana ʻana. A pane mai kā mākou Lahine: "He nani wau no ka mea aloha wau ... aloha a e nani hoʻi ʻoe." Ke hoʻomanaʻo nei ʻo ia i kēia hanana, ua kahaha ʻo Ivan i kēia lā: "ʻAʻole wau i ʻike i ka loaʻa ʻana o ka wiwo e huli iā ʻoe e like me kēia, no ka mea ua makaʻu wau i nā mea āpau."

ʻO Ivan kekahi o nā hihiʻo ʻeono o Medjugorje, kekahi o nā ʻekolu i ʻōlelo e "ʻike ʻia" ʻo ia ka Madonna i kēlā me kēia lā, ma hope o 30 mau makahiki mai ka hoʻomaka o nā ʻano. ʻO ka mea loa loa i ka mōʻaukala, mai 24 Iune 1981. Hiki iā ʻoe ke manaʻoʻiʻo ʻole i manaʻoʻiʻo ʻole ʻoe, akā ua ʻike maoli nō mākou me kahi ʻano koʻikoʻi e kū nei - ʻoiai ʻaʻole i ʻike alia ʻia e ka Ekalesia - ʻāpono i nā miliona o nā malihini i kēlā me kēia makahiki i ke keʻena kapu ʻo Herzegovina (ex Yugoslavia).

ʻAʻohe o Ivan i nā pale i nā wā i hala. I ka makahiki 1993 ua mare ʻo ia i ka American Laureen Murphy, Miss Massacchussets 1990, a he ʻehā āna keiki; a mai ia manawa ua mahele ʻia ma waena o Boston a me Medjugorje, kahi e ʻike ʻia ai i Mei a Kepakemapa. ʻOiai ʻo ka hilahila mau ʻana, hele nui ʻo ia iā Ausetalia a me Niu Sila, e haʻi i kona ʻike ʻokoʻa. Me ka paʻakikī paʻakikī mākou e hana iā ia i kahi ʻano nīnau. Eia kāna mau pane, ke manaʻo nei mākou iā ʻoe e like me kā mākou i loaʻa, no ka mea e hōʻike ʻia ana he hui kūʻokoʻa a kūlike, maka alo me ka pohihihi.

ʻO Vincenzo Sansonetti

E Ivan, ua ʻōlelo ʻoe ua ʻike ʻoe i ka Madonna i kēlā me kēia lā mai ka makahiki 1981 ... Ua hoʻololi ʻoe i loko o kēia mau makahiki 30?
«ʻO Gospa (Madonna ma Kūkānia, kahi leka o ka mea kākau) aia nō iā ia iho: he kaikamahine i ka ʻoi o nā makahiki, akā me kahi hohonu o kahi hiʻi e hoʻolilo iā ia i wahine maikaʻi loa i koʻu mau maka. He kapa hina kona a me ke kapa keʻokeʻo a, ma nā lā hoʻomaha, e like me ka Kalikimaka a me ka Easter, e kāʻei ʻo ia i nā kapa gula. Aia nā maka a me nā aniani nā ʻulaʻula. Aia i loko o kona poʻo he lei aliʻi o nā hōkū he ʻumikumamālua a hoʻomaha kona mau wāwae ma luna o kahi ao e lohi ana ia ia mai ka honua aku, e hoʻomanaʻo ai iā mākou he mea ia o ka lani a me ka make ʻole. Akā ʻaʻole hiki iaʻu ke kamaʻilio i kona ʻano iā ʻoe, e hoʻolōʻihi i ka nani, pehea ke ola.

He aha kāu manaʻo e "ʻike" ai ia? He aha kou mau manaʻo?
«Paʻakikī wau e wehewehe i kaʻu mau manaʻo ... i kēlā me kēia lā kahi mea i kūlike ʻole ai ma ka honua i hōʻike ʻia i mua o koʻu alo. ʻO ka ʻuhane i ka lani ʻo ia. Hāʻawi kona hele ʻana iā ʻoe i ka hauʻoli, e hou ʻia ana iā ʻoe me kahi kukui! Akā naʻe ke ʻano o ka ʻikepili i puni. I kekahi manawa ke hōʻike mai nei ʻo ia iaʻu i nā kānaka hauʻoli i ke kua, a i ʻole i ka ʻānō i nā ʻānela ma kahi hiki ʻole ke piha o nā pua.

Pehea ʻoe e ola ai i ka manawa ʻike o ka ʻike?
«Noho wau i kēlā me kēia manawa o ka lā e kali ana e hele mai ana ʻoe. A ke pau ka neʻe ʻana, ua paʻakikī ia iaʻu e hoʻoponopono pono iaʻu, no ka mea, ʻaʻohe mea ma ka honua, mea ma ka mea maoli paha, aia kēlā mau kala, ʻo ia mau mea ʻaila, a hiki i ka hemolele kūʻokoʻa ".

He aha kā mākou Mokuahine no ʻoe: he hoa aloha, he kaikamahine ...?
«Inā ʻike wau i kāna ʻōpio nui, aloha wau iā ia i ka makuahine. Ua mālama koʻu makuahine ʻokoʻa iaʻu a hiki i kēlā lā ma Podbrdo [ʻo Iune 24, 1981, i ka wā i kū mua ai ka wahine, ed.] Ona, hoʻopā ʻo ia i ka Gospa, ma kāna ʻano. He mau makuahine maikaʻi lākou, no ka mea, aʻo lākou iaʻu i ka makemake nui i ka mea ʻoiaʻiʻo. Akā mai koʻu wā i ʻike ai i ke aloha o kā māua Lāpahine, ua maopopo iaʻu ʻo kāna hoʻopōmaikaʻi, kāna mau pule, ʻo kāna mau ʻōlelo aʻoi aku ka hānai a me nā hāmū iaʻu a me koʻu ʻohana. ʻAʻohe mea momona a me ka pīhoihoi loa i ka wā i huli mai ai ʻo ia iaʻu e ʻōlelo ana "Aloha ʻoe!". ʻO ia ka ʻōlelo mua: he mau keiki mākou na ke Akua, aloha ʻia. He kamaliʻi mākou na ka Mō'ī Aloha, nāna e kāohi i ke ala mai ka lani i ka honua no ka mea aloha iā mākou. A me ka aloha ʻana iā mākou, makemake ʻo ia e alakaʻi iā mākou, no ka mea, ʻike ʻo ia i ka mea e pono ai mākou ».

He aha ka hana a kā mākou Lady ma ka manawa o kāu hālāwai?
«Ma luna o nā mea a pau, pule, e hōʻike ana iā mākou i ke ala e kamaʻilio pū ai me ke Akua. I kekahi manawa lilo i ka ninaninau: ma kēia hihia ʻoe e hōʻike palaka mai iaʻu i kahi aʻu i hele hewa ai; a me ka hana ʻana, ke hoʻomau nei ia i koʻu ulu kino. Inā hele mai nā poʻe ʻē aʻe i ka lole, e pule iā lākou, me ka makaʻala o ka poʻe maʻi, nā kāhuna a me nā poʻe i hoʻolaʻa ».

No ke aha i hōʻike lōʻihi ʻia ai?
“Ua nīnau mai kekahi mau pīkopa iaʻu i kēia nīnau. Aia kekahi poʻe e ʻōlelo nei he mau ʻōlelo ʻana o ka ʻuhane a ka poʻe hoʻi e hōʻole ʻole nei i ka mea manaʻoʻiʻo ke ʻike iā ia, no ka mea, aia nā pono o ka hilinaʻi a me nā mea e pono ai no ke ola, aia i loko o ka Baibala, i nā Sacraments a me ka Ekalesia. Akā, pane mai ka Gospa me kekahi nīnau hou aʻe: “He ʻoiaʻiʻo nō: ua hāʻawi mua nā mea a pau; aka, e ola ana oe i na palapala Hemolele, ke ola nei anei oe i ka hui ana me Iesu ma ka Eokarist? ". ʻOiaʻiʻo kāna mau leka; ʻo ka pilikia ʻaʻole mākou e ola i ka ʻeuanelio. 'Simpleleloʻo ia i ka ʻōlelo maʻalahi, ʻoluʻolu a nalu hoʻi iā ia iho me ke aloha ʻole, ma laila ke ʻike ʻia ka makemake o ia e hōʻea i nā poʻe a pau. Aia ʻo ia me he makuahine inā ʻaʻole aʻo kāna mau keiki a ʻike paha ua nalowale lākou i ka hui ʻino ... "He nui kāu ʻōlelo, akā ʻaʻole ʻoe ke ola." ʻAʻole ka manaʻo maikaʻi ʻo kaʻiʻo, akā he ola huakaʻi, a ke ʻōlelo mai nei ko mākou Mokuahine: "E lilo ʻoe i hōʻailona; e pule, i hoʻokō ʻia nā manaʻo o ke Akua, no kāu maikaʻi a no nā poʻe aloha iā ʻoe, no ke ao holoʻokoʻa ". He kela poe haipule ».

Aia kahi hui me kāu e hoʻomanaʻo nei i kahi ala kūikawā?
«I ka wā Kalikimaka, a kipa ka wahine i koʻu ʻohana ma ke hōʻike ʻana me kāna ʻohana: ke hōʻike nei iā ia iho me Saint Joseph a me Iesū liʻiliʻi i loko o kona mau lima. A laila, ʻaʻole wau e poina i ka mea i loaʻa iā ʻApelila 2, 2005. Ua hala ʻo John Paul II i kona wā i hōʻea mai ai, ua hele mai ke aniani, i ka ʻaʻahu keʻokeʻo a me nā lei gula ».

Pehea e noho ai nā ʻohana o kēia ʻohana i kēia "koho"?
«Aia wau i ka hale, e komo pū koʻu ʻohana i nā kapaʻana. E kali kāua no ka ʻōlelo makuahine ma o ka haʻi ʻana i ka Rosary a i ʻole ka noʻonoʻo ʻana i nā palapala hemolele a i ʻole pule. Ma hope o ka lole, hoʻomaikaʻi nui mākou. A ke haʻi aku nei wau iā ʻoe i ka mea a kā mākou Aliʻi i hana ai a ʻōlelo aku nei.

E makaʻu anei mākou i nā mea huna he ʻumi i hoʻolaha ʻia e Maria? Ke kali nei ka hoʻopaʻi?
«Hōʻike nā hōʻailona o nā manawa e pilikia nei ka honua. A loaʻa mau nā mea huna o Medjugorje i nā wanana no nā hanana hōʻeha. Eia naʻe, no ka laʻana, ua hoʻāhewa ʻia ka hiku ʻehiku e nā pule. A i nā manawa a pau āna i ʻike ʻia mai ai iaʻu ʻikee nei ia i ka manaolana a me ka mālamalama o ka lani. ʻAʻole hiki i ko mākou Lady kahi e aʻo aku iā mākou, e hōʻino iā mākou, akā no ka mea hoʻohana maikaʻi ʻia mākou i ke kūʻokoʻa, hoʻonohonoho hou i nā kamaʻilio a me ka pilina pili me ka mea nāna i hana nā mea āpau. He kūʻole ʻole ia i hōʻike ʻo ia iā ia ma Medjugorje ma muli o ke Kamāliʻiwahine o ka Maluhia a ʻo kāna mau huaʻōlelo mua: "E nā keiki aloha, he aloha i waena o ke kanaka a me ke Akua a me nā kāne" ».

Richard Caniato

Punawai: http://www.oggi.it/focus/attualita/2011/06/22/medjugorje-trentanni-di-apparizioni-intervista-esclusiva-al-veggente-ivan/