Medjugorje: ua ʻike nā kauka ʻaʻole ia he scam

MA MEDJUGORJE Mākou maopopo i ka ʻepekema ʻaʻole ia he scam

"ʻO nā hopena o nā noiʻi ʻepekema-ʻepekema a mākou i hana ai ma luna o nā mea ʻike maka o Medjugorje i alakaʻi iā mākou e kāpae i ke ʻano pilikino a i ʻole ka simulate a no laila he scam paha. Inā he mau hiʻohiʻona lākou o ke akua ʻaʻole ia iā mākou, akā hiki iā mākou ke hōʻoia ʻaʻole lākou i nā moemoeā a i ʻole nā ​​hoʻohālikelike ”. Ua hōʻea ʻo Professor Luigi Frigerio no ka manawa mua ma Medjugorje i ka makahiki 1982 e hele pū me kahi mea maʻi i ola mai kahi tumo i ka sakuma. Ua hoʻomaka wale nā ​​pale i hoʻokahi makahiki i hala, akā ʻo ka kaulana o kēlā wahi mamao kahi a Gospa i ʻōlelo ʻia ai e hoʻomaka ana e hoʻolaha i Italia. Ua ʻike ʻo Frigerio i ka ʻoiaʻiʻo o ke kaona liʻiliʻi ma Bosnia a ua kauoha ʻia e ka pīhopa o Split e hoʻomaka i kahi noiʻi ʻepekema ʻepekema i nā keiki ʻeono i ʻōlelo e ʻike a kamaʻilio pū me ka Madonna.

I kēia lā, 36 mau makahiki ma hope mai, i waenakonu o ka diatribe ma Medjugorje ʻae ʻaʻole paha, e hoʻonāukiuki nei i ka hoʻopaʻapaʻa Katolika ma hope o ka haʻi ʻana o ka ʻōlelo a Pope Francis, ua hoʻi ʻo ia e kamaʻilio e pili ana i kēlā hana noiʻi i hāʻawi koke ʻia i ka ʻĀhaina no ke Kumukānāwai o ka Faith. i ka lima o Cardinal Ratzinger. E hōʻoia i ka loaʻa ʻole o kahi scam a ua hoʻokō ʻia nā anamanaʻo i ka makahiki 1985, no laila ua kau ʻia i ka mea, e like me ke komikina Ruini, ka ʻāpana ʻelua o nā aparitions, ka "pilikia loa". Akā ma luna o nā mea āpau e hoʻomanaʻo i kēlā mau aʻo ʻana ʻaʻole i hōʻole ʻia e kekahi. Ma hope o nā makahiki o ka hāmau, ua hoʻoholo ʻo Frigerio e haʻi i ka Nuova BQ pehea i hele ai ka hoʻokolokolo ma nā mea ʻike maka.

Professor, ʻo wai ke kime i haku ʻia?
He hui mākou o nā kauka Italia: ʻO wau, ka mea i kēlā manawa ma Mangiagalli, Giacomo Mattalia, kaukukō ma Molinette ma Turin, prof. ʻO Giuseppe Bigi, physiopathologist o ke Kulanui o Milan, ke kauka ʻo Giorgio Gagliardi, kauka puʻuwai a me ka psychologist, Paolo Maestri, otolaryngologist, Marco Margnelli, neurophysiologist, Raffaele Pugliese, kaukōkō, Prof Maurizio Santini, neuropsychopharmacologist o ke Kulanui o Milan.

He aha nā pono hana āu i hoʻohana ai?
Ua loaʻa iā mākou nā pono hana paʻakikī i kēlā manawa: kahi algometer e hoʻopaʻa i ka ʻehaʻeha o ka ʻeha, ʻelua mau mea hoʻopuka kope e hoʻopā i ke kola, kahi polygraph multi-channel, ka mea i ʻike ʻia he lie detector no ka hoʻopaʻa like like ʻana o ka hanu, ke kahe o ke koko, ka helu o ka puʻuwai a me ia'ku dermocutaneous a me ke kahe o ke kahapili ākea. Loaʻa iā mākou kahi hāmeʻa i kapa ʻia Ampleid mk 10 no ke kālailai ʻana i nā ala audory a me nā ocular, he ampleid 709 impedance mika mai Amplfon no ka hoʻolohe ʻana i nā reflexes o ke aʻa acoustic, cochlea a me nā mākala helehelena. ʻO ka hope kekahi mau kāmela no ke aʻo ʻana o ka haumāna.

Na wai ʻoe i kauoha iā ʻoe e hoʻokō i ka hoʻokolokolo?
Ua hoʻokumu ʻia ke kime i ka makahiki 1984 ma hope o ka hui ʻana me ka pīhopa o Split Frane Franic, ma lalo o ka mea i hilinaʻi nui ʻia ʻo Medjugorje. Ua noi ʻo ia iā mākou no ke aʻo ʻana, hoihoi maoli ʻo ia i ka ʻike inā na ke Akua kēlā mau hanana. Akā na John Paul II ka ʻoka. I koʻu hoʻi ʻana i Italia, ua kamaʻilio pū ʻo Kauka Farina me Makua Cristian Charlot me Msgr Paolo Knilica. Ua kono ʻo Pope St. John Paul II iā Msgr Knilica e kākau i kahi leka i koho ʻia e ʻae i nā kauka ʻItalia e hele i ka parish o Medjugorie no kēia mau ana ʻana. Ua hāʻawi ʻia nā mea āpau iā Ratzinger. E hoʻomanaʻo aia aia nō ke aupuni Tito, no laila he mea nui ia no lākou e loaʻa i kahi kime o nā kauka kūwaho.

ʻO ʻoe ka hui kauka mua e komo?
I ka manawa like me kā mākou noi ʻana, e mālama ʻia ana ka hoʻokolokolo ʻana o kahi hui Palani i hoʻohui ʻia e ke Kulanui o Montpellier o Professor Joyeux. Ua hānau ʻia kēlā pūʻulu no ka hoihoi o ka mariologist kaulana ʻo Laurentin. Ua hoʻolaʻa lākou iā lākou iho i ka electroencephalographic haʻawina. ʻO kēia mau ʻano hiamoe a i ʻole epilepsy i kāpae ʻia, ua hōʻike ʻia ka waihona o ka maka a me ka ʻōnaehana ocular he anatomically maʻamau.

I ka manawa hea i hoʻokolokolo ʻia ai nā hoʻokolokolo?
Ua hana mākou i ʻelua huakaʻi: hoʻokahi ma waena o 8 a me 10 Malaki 1985, ka lua ma waena o 7 a me 10 Kepakemapa 1985. I ka mahele mua ua aʻo mākou i ka reflex blink reflex a me ka blinking o nā maka maka a me ka lubrication o ka maka ma o ka lihilihi maka. I ka hoʻopā ʻana i ke kornea ua maopopo iā mākou hiki ke kāpae ʻepekema ʻia kekahi ʻano o ka simulate, ma o ka hoʻohana ʻana paha i nā lāʻau, no ka mea ma hope koke iho o ka hanana, hoʻi ka maka o ka maka i nā waiwai maʻamau. Ua hahau iā mākou ua pau ka ʻālohilohi maoli ʻana o ka maka ma mua o ka hoʻopaʻa ʻana i kahi kiʻi. He ʻokoʻa ka hapalima o ka sekona o nā mea ʻike ʻeono, i nā kūlana ʻokoʻa, i ka hoʻopaʻa ʻana i ke kiko like o ke kiʻi me nā ʻano hiki ʻole ke ʻike ʻia ma waena o lākou, no laila i ka manawa like.

A i ka lua o ka hōʻike o Kepakemapa?
Ua noʻonoʻo mākou i ka hoʻopaʻa ʻana i ka ʻeha. Ke hoʻohana nei i ka algometer, ʻo ia ka pā kālā centimeter square e wela ai a i 50 kekelē, ua hoʻopā mākou i ka ʻili ma mua, i ka wā a ma hope o ka hanana. ʻĀ: ma mua a ma hope o ka wehe ʻana o nā mea ʻike i ko lākou mau manamana lima i kahi hapa o kekona, e like me nā ʻōkuhi, ʻoiai i ka hanana, ua lilo lākou i mea ʻole i ka ʻeha. Ua hoʻāʻo mākou e hoʻolōʻihi i ka hōʻike ma waho o 5 kekona, akā kū mākou e pale iā lākou mai ke ahi. ʻO ka hopena he like mau ia: ka noʻonoʻo ʻole, ʻaʻohe kaʻina o ka pakele ʻana mai ka pā piʻo.

Ua hōʻike pū ʻia ka ʻōpala iā ia iho i nā ʻāpana koʻikoʻi o ke kino?
Hoʻopā i ke kola me kahi kaupaona palena iki o 4 milligrams i ka manawa maʻamau, pani koke nā mea ʻike i ko lākou mau maka; i ka hanana i hāmama nā maka me nā kaumaha ma mua o 190 milligrams o ke kaupaona.

ʻO ia ka manaʻo i pale aku ke kino i nā kaumaha invasive?
ʻAe. ʻO ka hana electrodermal o kēia mau keikikāne i ka wā o nā hōʻike i hoʻohālikelike ʻia e kahi loli holomua a me ka hoʻonui ʻana o ka pale ʻana o ka ʻili, ua hoʻonāukiuki ʻia ka hypertonia o ka ʻōnaehana orthosympathetic ma hope koke iho o ka hanana, kahi ʻole o ʻili uila ʻili. Akā ua hana ʻia kēia i ka wā i hoʻohana ai mākou i kahi stylus no nā mea hōʻeuʻeu hou o ka ʻeha a i ʻole ke hoʻohana mākou i kahi flash kiʻi: ua loli ka electroderma, akā ʻaʻole lākou i hopohopo nui i ke kūlana. Ke pau ka hōʻike ʻana i ka hanana, kū maʻamau nā waiwai a me nā hopena i nā hoʻāʻo.

He hoʻokolohua paha ia no ʻoe?
ʻO ia ka hōʻoia inā loaʻa kahi wehewehe o ka ecstasy, e hemo ia mai ke ʻano o ka hanana, ua hele a hele kino ʻole lākou. ʻO ia ka like ikaika i ʻike ʻia e ke kauka Lourdes ma Bernadette iā ia i hoʻāʻo ai i ka ihoiho. Ua noi mākou i ke ʻano like me nā mīkini ʻoi aku ka maʻalahi.

I ka manawa i huki ʻia ai nā hopena, he aha kāu i hana ai?
Ua hāʻawi pono wau i ke aʻo ʻana iā Cardinal Ratzinger, kahi kikoʻī loa a hele pū ʻia me nā kiʻi. Ua hele au i ke anaina no ke Kumukānāwai o ka Faith ma kahi a ke kākāʻōlelo a Ratzinger, ʻo Cardinal Bertone ke kali mai iaʻu. Ke loaʻa nei ʻo Ratzinger i ʻelele o nā Paniolo, akā ua hoʻolōʻihi ʻo ia iā lākou i hoʻokahi hola e kamaʻilio pū me aʻu. Ua wehewehe iki wau i kā mākou hana iā ia a laila nīnau iā ia i kāna manaʻo e pili ana.

A ʻo ia?
Ua haʻiʻo ia iaʻu: "He hiki i ka mea akua ke hōʻike iā ia iho i ke kanaka ma o ka ʻike o nā keikikāne. Ua lawe ʻo ia i koʻu haʻalele a ma ka paepae noi wau iā ia: "Akā, pehea ka manaʻo o ka pope?". Pane ʻo ia: "Manaʻo ka Pope e like me aʻu". Ma hope i Milan ua paʻi wau i puke me kēlā ʻikepili.

Pehea kou studio i kēia manawa?
ʻAʻole maopopo iaʻu, akā ʻike wau ua lawelawe ia i ka Hui a no laila ka Hemolele ʻike ʻole e pāpā i ka hele malihini ʻana. Ua makemake ka Pope e hoʻomaopopo i kēia ma mua, i mea e hoʻoholo ai inā e kāpae i nā huakaʻi huakaʻi. Ma ka heluhelu ʻana i kā mākou noi ʻana, hoʻoholo lākou ʻaʻole e keakea iā lākou a ʻae iā lākou.

Manaʻo ʻoe ua loaʻa kāu studio e ke kōmike Ruini?
Manaʻo wau pēlā, akā ʻaʻohe aʻu ʻike e pili ana i kēlā.

No ke aha la oukou e manao pela?
No ka mea ua hōʻoia mākou i ka hilinaʻi o nā keikikāne a ʻoi aku paha i nā makahiki i hala ʻaʻole nā ​​haʻawina e hiki mai ana i hōʻole i kā mākou ʻike.

Ke ʻōlelo nei ʻoe ʻaʻohe ʻepekema i komo e kūʻē i kāu noi?
Pololei. ʻO ka nīnau nui inā paha i loko o kēia mau hihiʻo a me nā hiʻohiʻona i manaʻo ʻia ua manaʻo ka poʻe ʻike i nā mea a lākou i ʻike ai a i ʻike ai paha i kā lākou i manaʻoʻiʻo ai. I ka hihia mua e mahalo ʻia ka physiology o ka hanana, i ka lua o ka hihia ua ʻike mākou iā mākou iho i mua me kahi wānana hallucinatory o kahi ʻano pathological. Ma ka pae ʻepekema a me ka ʻepekema ua hiki iā mākou ke hoʻokumu i kēia mau keikikāne i manaʻoʻiʻo i ka mea a lākou i ʻike ai a he mea kēia ma ka ʻaoʻao o ka Holy See i mea e pani ʻole ai i kēia ʻike ma laila a ʻaʻole e pāpā i nā kipa ʻana mai ka poʻe kūʻiʻo. I kēia lā ua hoʻi mākou e kamaʻilio e pili ana iā Medjugorje ma hope o nā ʻōlelo a ka Pope. Inā he ʻoiaʻiʻo ʻaʻole kēia he hiʻohiʻona, ʻo ia hoʻi ke kū nei mākou i kahi hoʻopunipuni nui no 36 mau makahiki. Hiki iaʻu ke kāpae i ka scam: ʻaʻole mākou i ʻae ʻia e lawe i ka hoʻokolohua naloxone e ʻike inā aia lākou ma nā lāʻau, akā aia kekahi hōʻike kumu no ke aha ma hope o ka kekona ua ʻeha lākou e like me nā mea ʻē aʻe.

Ua ʻōlelo ʻoe no Lourdes. Ua pili anei ʻoe i nā ʻenehana ʻimi noiʻi lapaʻau?
Pololei. Ua like nā kaʻina hana i lawe ʻia. I ka ʻoiaʻiʻo, ʻo mākou kahi keʻena lapaʻau mamao. ʻO kā mākou hui me Dr. Mario Botta, ʻo ia kekahi o ke komisina ʻepekema-ʻepekema ʻo Lourdes.

He aha kou manaʻo no nā aparitions?
ʻO ka mea hiki iaʻu ke ʻōlelo ʻoiaʻiʻo ʻaʻohe hoʻopunipuni, ʻaʻohe simulate. A ʻaʻole loaʻa kēia hanana i kahi wehewehe lapaʻau-ʻepekema kūpono. ʻO ka hana o ka lāʻau lapaʻau e kāpae i kahi pathology, i kāpae ʻia ma aneʻi. ʻO ka hoʻoili ʻana o kēia mau phenomena i kahi hanana kupanaha ʻaʻole kaʻu hana, aia iā mākou ka hana o ka hoʻokaʻawale ʻana i ka simulate a i ʻole ka pathology.