Mirjana o Medjugorje "Na Keikiahine wau i ʻike iaʻu i ka lani"

DP: Ke hāʻawi nei ʻo ia i nā mea ʻumi e like me Ivanka a akā naʻe ua ʻōlelo ʻia ka Madonna iā ia: e hōʻike ʻoe i nā mea ʻike ma o kekahi kahuna. Pehea mākou e hana ai i kēia mau mea huna?
M: Ke kamaʻilio pū kekahi o kēia mau mea huna hiki iaʻu ke ʻōlelo e hopohopo nui nei kā mākou Mokuahine no ka poʻe paulele ʻole ʻana, no ka mea, ʻaʻole ʻo ia e ʻike i ka mea e kali mai ana iā lākou ma hope o ka make. Hōʻike ʻo ia iā mākou e manaʻoʻiʻo ana, ʻōlelo ʻo ia i ka honua holoʻokoʻa, e manaʻo i ke Akua ma ko mākou makuakāne a me ko mākou Mum; mai makaʻu hoʻi i kekahi mea hewa ʻole. A no kēia kumu ua noi mau ʻoe i ka pule no ka poʻe paulele ʻole: ʻo ia wale nō kaʻu e ʻōlelo ai no nā mea huna. ʻO kahi wale nō iaʻu e haʻi i kahi kahuna i nā lā he ʻumi ma mua o ka mea huna mua; ma hope o kā mākou ʻelua e wikiwiki mākou i ʻehiku lā i ka lā a me ka wai a ʻekolu mau lā ma mua o ka hoʻomaka ʻana o ka mea huna e haʻi ʻo ia i ka honua āpau i nā mea e hiki mai ana a ma hea. A me nā mea huna a pau.

DP: 'saylelo anei ʻoe i ka manawa hoʻokahi, ʻaʻole i ka manawa hoʻokahi?
M: ʻAe, hoʻokahi i ka manawa.

DP: Manaʻo ʻia iaʻu ʻo P. Tomislav i hoʻopaʻa ʻia nā mea huna e like me ke kaulahao ...
M: ʻAʻole, ʻaʻole, e kamaʻilio nā kāhuna a me nā poʻe ʻē aʻe i kēia, akā ʻaʻole hiki iaʻu ke ʻōlelo i kekahi mea. ʻAe a i ʻole, a pehea paha .. hiki iaʻu ke ʻōlelo wale nō i kā mākou pule, ʻaʻohe mea ʻē aʻe. ʻO ka pule wale nō me ka naʻau he mea nui. Ka pule me ka ʻohana.

DP: He aha kāu makemake e pule? Ua ʻōlelo ʻoe me ka momona kupaianaha ...

M: ʻAʻole nui kā mākou Mokuahine i ka nui. Ke ʻōlelo wale nei ʻoe i nā mea a pau āu e pule ai, ka pule me kou puʻuwai a ʻo kēia wale nō ka mea nui. I kēia manawa ke noi nei ʻoe i nā pule i loko o ka ʻohana, no ka mea, ʻaʻole nui ka poʻe ʻōpio e hele i ka hale pule, ʻaʻole lākou makemake e lohe i kekahi mea e pili ana i ke Akua, akā ua manaʻo ʻoe he hewa nā mākua, no ka mea e ulu nā keiki i ka manaʻoʻiʻo. No ka mea ke hana nei nā keiki i nā mea a lākou e ʻike nei i kā lākou mau mākua a no kēia kumu e pono ai nā mākua e pule me kā lākou keiki; hoʻomaka lākou i ko lākou wā ʻōpio, ʻaʻole i ka wā he 20 a 30 paha mau makahiki o lākou. Ua pōkole. A hope, i ko lākou mau makahiki he 30, ua pule ʻoe no ka pule no lākou.

DP: Eia ko mākou poʻe ʻōpio, aia nō hoʻi nā seminareana e lilo i mau kahuna, nā Misionari ...
M: E noi kā mākou Lady e pule ʻia ka Rosary i kēlā me kēia lā. Ke ʻōlelo nei ʻoe ʻaʻole paʻakikī loa ka manaʻoʻiʻo, ʻaʻole ke noi nui mai ke Akua: e pule mākou i ka Rosary, e hele mākou i ka hale pule, i hāʻawi mākou iā mākou iho i hoʻokahi lā no ke Akua a wikiwiki mākou i wikiwiki ai. No ka ʻaina Madona ka ʻai wale nō wale nō ka wai a me ka wai. ʻO kēia ka mea a ke Akua e nīnau mai ai.

DP: A me kēia pule a me ka wikiwiki hiki iā mākou ke pale i nā pōʻino kūlohelohe a me nā kaua ... No ka mea ʻike like ʻole nā ​​ʻike. ʻAʻole hiki ke hoʻololi ʻia ka Mirjana.
M: No mākou ʻeono (ʻike) ʻaʻole like nā mea huna no ka mea ʻaʻole mākou e kamaʻilio kekahi e pili ana i kēlā me kēia mea i ʻike ʻia, akā ʻike mākou ʻaʻole ʻike ʻole kā mākou mau mea huna. No kēia kumu, ʻōlelo ʻo Vicka, hiki i kekahi ke hoʻololi i nā mea huna me ka pule a me ka hoʻokē ʻai, akā ʻaʻole hiki ke loli.

DP: ʻAʻole hiki ke hoʻololi ʻia nā mea huna i hāʻawi ʻia iā ʻoe?
M: ʻAʻole, ka mea wale nō i hāʻawi mai ai ko mākou Moku i nā hiku ʻehiku i hoʻowalewale mai iaʻu i kahi ʻāpana o kēia ʻaha hiku. ʻO ia ke kumu i ʻōlelo ai ua ho'āʻo ʻoe e hoʻololi, akā ua pule ʻoe iā Iesu, ke Akua no ka pule, akā ua pono kā mākou pule. Ua pule mākou i kēlā a ma hope aku, i ka manawa i hele mai ai ʻo ia, ʻōlelo mai ʻo ia iaʻu ua hoʻololi kēia wahi akā ʻaʻole hiki ke hoʻololi hou aʻe i nā mea huna, aia ka mea i loaʻa iaʻu.

DP: Ma ka hana maʻamau, nā mea huna a me kekahi o lākou paha, e like me nā mea o Fatima, ʻaʻole i nā mea nani. Eia naʻe, ua male ʻoe, ua male ʻo Ivanka. No mākou he kumu ia no ka manaʻolana: inā male male ʻoe ua lana ka manaʻo. Inā hewa paha kekahi mau mea huna, ʻo ʻoe ka manaʻo e ʻeha i waena o ka honua. Eia naʻe…
M: E nānā, ʻike nui wau iā Ivanka i ke Akua a ʻike mākou ʻaʻole he mea a ke Akua e hana nei. Ua ʻike ʻoe, ua kau mākou i nā mea a pau ma nā lima o ke Akua.

DP: ʻAʻole mākou hopohopo i ka make inā hele mākou i ka lani ...
M: ʻAe, nānā ʻoe ʻaʻole paʻakikī i ka mea paulele e make, no ka mea, hele ʻoe i ke Akua, ma kahi āu i ʻoi ai.

DP: Ua ʻike anei ʻoe i ka lani?
M: Ua ʻike wale nō wau i ʻelua mau kekona kekona ʻo Langit wale nō Purgatory.

DP: (....) He aha kou manaʻo i ka lani?
M: Aia nā maka o nā kānaka, ʻike ʻoe ua loaʻa lākou i nā mea āpau, he mālamalama, a ʻoluʻolu. Ua hoʻopā nui ʻia kēia iaʻu. Ke pani ʻole nei i koʻu mau maka a ʻike mau au i ka hauʻoli o lākou. ʻAʻohe ʻo ia e ʻike ai i kēia ma ka honua ... he mau maka ʻē aʻe. Ma Purgatory ua ʻike wau i nā mea āpau ma keʻokeʻo, e like me Arabia.

DP: E like me ka wao nahele?
M: ʻAe, ua ʻike wau ua pilikia ka poʻe i kekahi mea, kino. Ua ike au he ehaeha lakou keia, aole nae au i ike i ka mea o lakou e loohia ai.

DP: He ʻōpio a he ʻōpio nā kānaka i ka lani?
M: Ua ʻōlelo wau he ʻelua a ʻekolu paha kekona wau i ʻike ai, akā ua ʻike au ua kokoke ka poʻe i kahi o 30-35 mau makahiki. ʻAʻole wau i ʻike i kekahi. Akā manaʻo wau he 30-35 mau makahiki lākou.

DP: (….) E haʻi iā mākou e pili ana i ka hālāwai ʻana o ʻApelila me 2 ma Madonna
M: Ua pule mākou i nā hola he nui no ka poʻe hoʻomana ʻole.

DP: He manawa i hele mai ai?
M: Mamua, kēlā me kēia mahina o ka malama ʻo ia mau nō ʻo ia i ka 11 i ke ahiahi, a hiki i ka 3-4 kakahiaka. Ma hope o ka lā 2 o ʻApelila hele mai ʻo ia i 14 pm. Ua mau ka lōʻihi a hiki i ka manawa he 45 ʻO ia ka manawa mua e hiki mai ana i ke ahiahi. ʻO wau wale nō ka hale ma ka hopena o koʻu mau manaʻo a i ke ahiahi ke kokoke ʻo ia e hele mai. Ua manaʻo wau e hoʻomaka nei wau e hana aku, e palupalu, e pule. A i ka hoʻomaka ʻana e pule, ua manaʻo wau ua pule koke ʻo ia me aʻu. ʻAʻole mākou i kamaʻilio e pili ana i kekahi mea, ke pule wale nei mākou no ka poʻe hoʻomaloka.

DP: Ua ʻike anei ʻoe iā ia?
ʻO kēia manawa kaʻu i lohe ai.

DP: I kekahi manawa, ua ʻōlelo mai ʻoe iaʻu: Na ka Lāahine mākou i haʻi mai i ka ʻōlelo iā ʻoe.
M: ʻAe, e pili ana i ka poʻe hoʻomaloka. Ke kamaʻilio mākou e pili ana i ka poʻe hoʻomana ʻole, ʻaʻole kūpono ia e ʻōlelo aku: no ke aha ʻoe e hele ʻole ai i ka hale pule? Pono ʻoe e hele i ka hale pule, pono ʻoe e pule ... Pono nō ma mua o kā lākou ʻike ʻana ma ke ola o ke Akua aia, aia kekahi Aliʻi, he pule kākou. Pono mākou e hoʻohālike i kahi kumu hoʻohālike, ʻaʻole ia e ʻōlelo mau.

DP: No laila, ʻaʻohe pono o nā kūkākūkā ʻana, pono ʻoe i kahi hoʻohālike?
M: ʻO ke ʻano hoʻohālike.

DP: Aia ka pule a me ka kaumaha, ka pule a me ka wikiwiki i nā mea ikaika nui e lua e kōkua a lawa paha ke pule?
M: E hele pū lāua ʻelua no wau, no ka mea he nani kēia pule, akā ʻo ka wikiwiki ʻo kahi mea liʻiliʻi ia e hiki iā mākou ke hāʻawi i ke Akua, he wahi liʻiliʻi ia e hana ai ko mākou kino no ke Akua. (Ma hope o Mirjana i loaʻa ua noi i ka pule no nā ʻuhane o Purgatory ...)

DP: Ua hana ʻoe i kēia ʻohana, ua mare ʻoe. ʻ sayslelo mākou: he makahiki kēia o ka ʻohana. Pehea ʻoe me kāu kāne e loli nei?

M: E pule pule kā kākou. Ma Lent, pule mākou i ka pule iki, ma nā lā maʻamau e pule mākou i kahi Rosary a me Hail, ʻo Gloria, no ka mea, ua ʻōlelo ko mākou Lady e makemake nui nei i kēia pule. I kēlā lā kēia lā mākou e pule nei; Hāpai mākou i ka Pōʻalima a me ka Pōʻalima, e aloha nā Kristiano a pau i ka manaʻoʻiʻo i ke Akua.