Marija ntawm Medjugorje: Peb tus poj niam hais rau peb tsuas yog qhov no hauv nws cov lus ...
MB: Mrs. Pavlovic, cia peb pib nrog cov xwm txheej tragic ntawm lub hlis no. Nws nyob qhov twg thaum ob lub tsev New York raug rhuav tshem?
Marija .: Kuv nyuam qhuav rov qab los ntawm Asmeskas, qhov twg kuv tau mus rau lub rooj sib tham. Nrog kuv yog ib tug neeg sau xov xwm los ntawm New York, ib tug Catholic, uas tau hais rau kuv tias: Cov kev puas tsuaj no tshwm sim rau peb sawv, kom peb los ze zog rau Vajtswv. Kuv ua rau nws lom zem me ntsis. kuv hais rau nws tias : koj ua phem dhau lawm, tsis txhob pom dub li.
MB: Koj tsis txhawj?
Marija .: Kuv paub tias Niam Mab Liab ib txwm muab kev cia siab rau peb. Thaum Lub Rau Hli 26, 1981, hauv nws qhov thib peb pom, nws tau quaj thiab thov Vajtswv kom muaj kev thaj yeeb nyab xeeb. Nws hais rau kuv (hnub ntawd nws tsuas yog tshwm sim rau Marija, ed) tias nrog kev thov Vajtswv thiab yoo mov peb tuaj yeem tiv thaiv kev ua rog.
MB: Puas yog koj tsis muaj leej twg hauv Yugoslavia xav txog kev ua tsov rog thaum lub sijhawm ntawd?
Marija: Tab sis tsis yog! Dab tsi ua tsov rog? Ib xyoos dhau mus txij li Tito tuag. Communism muaj zog, qhov xwm txheej tau tswj hwm. Tsis muaj leej twg tuaj yeem xav tias yuav muaj kev tsov rog hauv Balkans.
MB: Yog li nws yog lus tsis nkag siab rau koj?
Marija: Incomprehensible. Kuv tsuas paub nws kaum xyoo tom qab. Thaum Lub Rau Hli 25, 1991, nyob rau hnub thib kaum ntawm thawj qhov tshwm sim hauv Medjugorje (thawj zaug yog lub Rau Hli 24, 1981, tab sis nyob rau 25th yog hnub ntawm thawj qhov tshwm sim rau tag nrho rau lub zeem muag, ed), Croatia thiab Slovenia tshaj tawm. Lawv cais tawm ntawm Yugoslav Federation. Thiab hnub tom qab, Lub Rau Hli 26, raws nraim kaum xyoo tom qab qhov tshwm sim uas Peb Poj Niam tau quaj thiab hais kom kuv thov Vajtswv kom muaj kev thaj yeeb, Serbian tseem hwv tub rog tau tawm tsam Slovenia.
MB: Kaum xyoo dhau los, thaum koj tab tom tham txog kev ua tsov rog, lawv puas xav tias koj vwm?
Marija: Kuv ntseeg tias tsis muaj ib tus neeg zoo li peb yog cov neeg pom tau puas tau mus ntsib ntau tus kws kho mob, kws kho mob hlwb, kws kho mob. Peb tau ua txhua qhov kev sim ua tau thiab xav txog. Lawv txawm nug peb nyob rau hauv hypnosis.
MB: Puas muaj cov tsis-Catholics ntawm cov kws kho mob hlwb uas tuaj xyuas koj?
Marija: Yog lawm. Tag nrho cov kws kho mob thaum ntxov tsis yog Catholics. Ib tug yog Dr. Dzuda, uas yog Communist thiab Muslim, paub thoob plaws hauv Yugoslavia. Tom qab tuaj xyuas peb, nws hais tias: “Cov neeg no nyob twj ywm, txawj ntse, ib txwm muaj. Cov npau taws yog cov uas coj lawv los ntawm no. "
MB: Puas yog cov kev xeem no tsuas yog xyoo 1981 lossis lawv puas txuas ntxiv?
Marija: Lawv txuas ntxiv txhua lub sijhawm, txog rau xyoo tas los.
MB: Muaj pes tsawg tus kws kho mob tau tuaj xyuas koj?
Marija: Kuv tsis paub… (luag, editor daim ntawv). Peb visionaries qee zaus tso dag thaum cov neeg sau xov xwm tuaj txog hauv Medjugorje thiab nug peb: koj puas tsis mob hlwb? Peb teb: thaum koj muaj cov ntaub ntawv uas tshaj tawm tias koj zoo li peb muaj, rov qab los ntawm no thiab peb sib tham.
MB: Puas muaj leej twg xav tias qhov kev tshwm sim yog kev xav tsis thoob?
Marija: Tsis yog, nws tsis yooj yim sua. Hallucination yog ib tug neeg, tsis yog ib tug collective, phenomenon. Thiab muaj rau ntawm peb. Ua Vajtswv tsaug, Peb tus pojniam hu peb
hauv XNUMX.
MB: Koj xav li cas thaum koj pom tias cov ntawv xov xwm Catholic zoo li Yexus tawm tsam koj?
Marija: Rau kuv nws yog ib qho kev poob siab uas pom tias tus neeg sau xov xwm tuaj yeem sau qee yam yam tsis tau sim kom paub, kom tob, kom tau raws li peb txhua tus. Txawm li cas los xij kuv nyob hauv Monza, nws yuav tsum tsis txhob taug kev ib txhiab mais.
MB: Tab sis koj yuav tsum tau kwv yees tias tsis yog txhua tus tuaj yeem ntseeg koj, txoj cai?
Marija: Tau kawg, nws yog ib qho uas txhua tus neeg muaj kev ntseeg lossis tsis ntseeg. Tab sis los ntawm ib tug neeg sau xov xwm Catholic, muab lub Koom Txoos prudence, kuv yuav tsis tau xav txog tus cwj pwm zoo li no.
MB: Lub Koom Txoos tseem tsis tau paub txog qhov tshwm sim. Qhov no puas yog qhov teeb meem rau koj?
Marija: Tsis yog, vim lub Koom Txoos ib txwm coj zoo li no. Tsuav qhov kev tshwm sim txuas ntxiv mus, nws tsis tuaj yeem hais nws tus kheej.
MB: Ntev npaum li cas ntawm koj qhov kev tshwm sim txhua hnub nyob ntev?
Marija: Tsib, rau feeb. Qhov ntev tshaj plaws tshwm sim tau ob teev.
MB: Koj puas pom "La" tib yam?
Marija: Ib txwm zoo ib yam. Zoo li ib tug neeg ib txwm tham nrog kuv, thiab peb tuaj yeem kov tau.
MB: Ntau yam khoom: cov neeg ncaj ncees ntawm Medjugorje ua raws li cov lus uas koj tshaj tawm ntau dua li Vajluskub.
Marija: Tab sis Peb Tus Poj Niam hauv nws cov lus tau qhia peb qhov no: "muab Vaj Lug Kub Npaiv Npaum rau hauv koj lub tsev, thiab nyeem lawv txhua hnub". Lawv kuj qhia peb tias peb hlub Huab Tais Yes Xus thiab tsis yog Tswv Ntuj, qhov no kuj yog lus dag xwb: Peb poj niam tsis ua dab tsi tab sis qhia peb kom muab Tswv Ntuj tso rau hauv peb lub neej. Thiab nws qhia peb kom nyob hauv lub Koom Txoos, nyob rau hauv lub parishes. Cov neeg uas rov qab los ntawm Medjugorje tsis dhau los ua ib tug tubtxib ntawm Medjugorje: lawv ua ib tug ncej ntawm lub parishes.
MB: Nws kuj tau tawm tsam tias cov lus ntawm Peb Tus Poj Niam uas koj xa mus yog qhov rov ua dua: thov Vajtswv, nrawm.
Marija: Pom tau tias nws pom peb nrog lub taub hau nyuaj. Pom tseeb tias nws xav tsa peb, vim hnub no peb tsis thov Vajtswv ntau, thiab hauv lub neej peb tsis tso Vajtswv ua ntej, tab sis lwm yam: kev ua haujlwm, nyiaj txiag ...
MB: Nej tsis muaj leej twg los ua pov thawj lossis ib tug txiv plig. Tsib ntawm nej tau sib yuav. Puas yog qhov no txhais tau tias niaj hnub no tseem ceeb heev kom muaj tsev neeg ntseeg?
Marija: Tau ntau xyoo kuv xav tias kuv yuav los ua ib tug txiv plig. Kuv tau pib mus koom ib lub rooj sib txoos, lub siab xav nkag tau muaj zog heev. Tab sis tus niam superior hais rau kuv: Marija, yog koj xav tuaj, koj txais tos; tiam sis yog tus npis sov txiav txim siab tias koj yuav tsum tsis txhob hais txog Medjugorje, koj yuav tsum mloog. Thaum ntawd kuv pib xav tias tej zaum kuv txoj hauj lwm yog ua tim khawv txog tej yam kuv pom thiab hnov, thiab hais tias kuv yuav nrhiav tau txoj kev dawb huv txawm nyob sab nraum lub convent.
MB: Dab tsi yog kev dawb huv rau koj?
Marija: Ua kuv lub neej txhua hnub zoo. Ua ib tug niam zoo, thiab tus nkauj nyab zoo dua.
MB: Mrs. Pavlovic, hais tau tias koj tsis tas yuav ntseeg: koj paub. Koj puas tseem ntshai ib yam dab tsi?
Marija: Kev ntshai yeej ib txwm muaj. Tab sis kuv tuaj yeem yog vim li cas. Kuv hais tias: Ua Vajtswv tsaug, kuv muaj kev ntseeg. Thiab kuv paub tias Niam Mab Liab ib txwm pab peb nyob rau lub sijhawm nyuaj.
MB: Puas yog lub sijhawm nyuaj?
Marija: Kuv tsis xav li ntawd. Kuv pom tias lub ntiaj teb raug kev txom nyem los ntawm ntau yam: tsov rog, kab mob, kev tshaib kev nqhis. Tab sis kuv kuj pom tias Vajtswv tau muab ntau yam kev pab tshwj xeeb rau peb, xws li kev ua txhua hnub rau kuv, Vicka thiab Ivan. Thiab kuv paub tias kev thov Vajtswv ua tau txhua yam. Thaum twg, tom qab thawj qhov kev tshwm sim, peb tau hais tias Peb Tus Poj Niam tau caw peb los nyeem cov lus sau txhua hnub thiab yoo mov, zoo li peb yuav hais li cas? Tiamsis thaum tsov rog tawm tuaj peb nkag siab tias yog vim li cas Huab Tais Tswv Ntuj thiaj hais kom peb thov kom muaj kev thaj yeeb. Thiab peb tau pom, piv txwv li, nyob rau hauv Split, qhov chaw uas archbishop tau txais tam sim ntawd cov lus ntawm Medjugorje thiab tau thov Vajtswv rau kev thaj yeeb, tsov rog tsis tuaj.
Rau kuv nws yog ib qho txuj ci tseem ceeb, hais tias archbishop. Ib tug hais tias: Yuav ua li cas rosary ua tau? tsis muaj dab tsi. Tab sis peb txhua hmo, nrog cov menyuam yaus, hais ib lub paj rau cov neeg pluag uas tuag hauv Afghanistan, thiab rau cov neeg tuag hauv New York thiab Washington. Thiab kuv ntseeg lub hwj chim ntawm kev thov Vajtswv.
MB: Puas yog lub plawv ntawm Medjugorje cov lus? Rov tshawb nrhiav qhov tseem ceeb ntawm kev thov Vajtswv?
Marija: Yog, tab sis tsis yog li ntawd xwb. Peb tus poj niam kuj qhia peb tias kev tsov rog nyob hauv kuv lub siab yog tias kuv tsis muaj Vajtswv, vim tias tsuas yog nyob hauv Vajtswv thiaj li muaj kev thaj yeeb nyab xeeb. Nws kuj qhia peb tias kev ua tsov ua rog tsis yog tsuas yog qhov chaw foob pob tawg, tab sis kuj, piv txwv li, hauv tsev neeg poob sib nrug. Nws hais kom peb mus koom Mass, lees txim, xaiv ib tug thawj coj ntawm sab ntsuj plig, hloov peb lub neej, hlub peb cov neeg zej zog. Thiab nws qhia meej tias peb txoj kev txhaum yog dab tsi, vim niaj hnub no lub ntiaj teb no tau ploj kev paub txog yam zoo thiab qhov phem. Kuv xav tias, piv txwv li, muaj pes tsawg tus poj niam rho menyuam yam tsis paub tias lawv ua dab tsi, vim niaj hnub no kab lis kev cai ua rau lawv ntseeg tias tsis yog phem.
MB: Niaj hnub no ntau tus ntseeg tias lawv nyob rau lub verge ntawm kev tsov rog ntiaj teb.
Marija: Kuv hais tias Peb Tus Poj Niam muab txoj hauv kev rau peb lub ntiaj teb zoo dua. Rau Mirjana, piv txwv li, nws hais tias nws tsis ntshai kev muaj menyuam ntau. Nws tsis tau hais tias: tsis txhob muaj menyuam vim tsov rog yuav los. Nws hais rau peb tias yog peb pib ua tau zoo ntawm tej yam me me ntawm txhua hnub, tag nrho lub ntiaj teb yuav zoo dua.
MB: Ntau tus ntshai Islam. Puas yog kev ntseeg nruj heev?
Marija: Kuv nyob hauv ib thaj av uas tau nyob hauv Ottoman txoj cai tau ntau pua xyoo. Thiab txawm tias nyob rau hauv kaum xyoo dhau los peb Croats tsis tau raug kev puas tsuaj loj tshaj plaws los ntawm Serbs, tab sis los ntawm cov Muslims. Kuv tseem tuaj yeem xav tias cov xwm txheej niaj hnub no tuaj yeem pab qhib peb lub qhov muag rau qee qhov kev pheej hmoo ntawm Islam. Tab sis kuv tsis xav ntxiv roj rau hluav taws. Kuv tsis yog rau kev tsov kev rog ntawm kev ntseeg. Peb tus poj niam qhia peb tias nws yog leej niam ntawm txhua tus, tsis muaj qhov sib txawv. Thiab raws li ib tug pom kuv hais: peb yuav tsum tsis txhob ntshai dab tsi, vim hais tias Vajtswv yeej ib txwm coj keeb kwm. Kuj niaj hnub no.