Muoni Ivan anotaura nezveMedjugorje "anopfuura makore makumi matatu ekuonekwa"

"Amai, zvinoita sei kuti makanaka kudaro?". Yakanga yave nguva refu kubva mudiki Ivan Dragicevic, mumwe wevaoni veMedjugorje, akachengeta mubvunzo kusvika, panguva yeruzha, achishamiswa nemufaro, asisakwanise kuramba kuubvunza. Uye Mukadzi wedu angadai akapindura: "Ini ndakanaka nekuti ndinoda ... rudo uye iwewo uchave wakanaka". Achiyeuka chiitiko chacho, nhasi Ivan achiri kushamisika: "Handizivi kuti akawana sei ushingi hwekutendeukira kwauri seizvi, nokuti panguva iyoyo ndaitya zvinhu zvose."

Ivan mumwe wevatanhatu vaoni veMedjugorje, mumwe wevatatu vanoti "achiri kuona" Mukadzi Wedu mazuva ese, mushure memakore makumi matatu kubva pakatanga maratidziro. Iyo yakareba kwazvo munhoroondo, kubvira June 30, 24. Unogona kuzvitenda kana kusazvitenda, asi zvamazvirokwazvo tiri kutarisana nechiitiko chinokatyamadza icho—kunyange chisati chazivikanwa zviri pamutemo neChechi—chinokwezva mamirioni amapilgrim gore rimwe nerimwe kunzvimbo tsvene yeHerzegovina. yaimbova Yugoslavia).

Ivan nhasi haasisina kusada kwekare. Muna 1993 akaroora muAmerica Laureen Murphy, Miss Massacchussets 1990, waakaita naye vana vana; uye kubva ipapo akapatsanurwa pakati peBoston neMedjugorje, kwaanogona kusangana kubva muna Chivabvu kusvika Gunyana. Pasinei nekuramba achinyara, anofamba zvakawanda, kusvika kuAustralia neNew Zealand, kuti ataure nezvechiitiko chake chinoshamisa. Nekuomerwa takakwanisa kumuwanira mibvunzo yakatevedzana. Hedzino mhinduro dzake, dzatinokurudzira sezvadzakauya kwatiri, kune zvinoita sekunge kubvunzurudzwa kwakasarudzika uye kwakasarudzika, takatarisana nechakavanzika.

Vincent Sansonetti

Ivan, unoti wakaona Mukadzi Wedu mazuva ese kubva 1981… Achinja here mumakore makumi matatu aya?
"Gospa (Madonna muchiCroatian, ed) anogara ari iye pachake: musikana muhukuru hwake, asi nekutarisa kwakadzika kunomuita mukadzi wekukura kukuru mumaziso angu. Ane jasi regrey nejira jena uye, pamazororo, sepaKisimusi neIsita, anopfeka nguwo dzegoridhe. Maziso ari eblue uye matama acho angori nepingi. Mumusoro make ane korona yenyeredzi gumi nembiri uye tsoka dzake dziri pamusoro pegore rinomumisa kubva panyika, kutiyeuchidza kuti iye chisikwa cheKudenga uye chisina kuchena. Asi ini handikwanise kutaura hunhu hwayo kwauri, kunaka kwahwo, hupenyu hwayo ».

Iwe unonzwa sei kana iwe "unomuona"? Manzwiro ako ndeapi?
"Ndinoona zvakaoma kutsanangura manzwiro angu ... zuva rega rega pamberi pangu chimwe chinhu chisingaenzaniswi pasi pano chinozviratidza pamberi pangu. Mhandara pachayo iDenga. Kuvapo kwake kunokupa mufaro wakadaro, kunokubaya nechiedza chakadaro! Asi mamiriro ezvinhu akaipoteredza zvakare akanaka. Dzimwe nguva anondiratidza vanhu vanofara kumashure, kana ngirozi dzinopenya munzvimbo isingatauriki yakazara nemaruva.

Iwe unorarama sei nguva yekuonekwa?
"Ndinorarama nguva yega yezuva ndakamirira iwe kuti uuye. Uye kana kuonekwa kwacho kunopera, zvakandiomera kuti ndizvigadzirise pachangu, nokuti hapana chinhu chiri munyika, muunyanzvi kana muzvisikwa, chine mavara iwayo, aya anonhuwirira, uye anosvika pakukwana kwakadaro kwekunzwanana ».

Mukadzi Wedu chii kwauri: shamwari, hanzvadzi…?
“Kunyangwe ndikamuona achiri mudiki, ndinomunzwa saAmai. Amai vangu vepanyika vakandichengeta kusvikira zuva iroro paPodbrdo [Chikumi 24, 1981, Mhandara payakaonekwa kekutanga, ed], zvino yakanga yava nguva yaGospa, ivo pachavo. Vese vari vaviri vanaamai vakanaka, nekuti vakandidzidzisa nechido nezvechokwadi. Asi kubva pandakaona rudo rwaMukadzi Wedu, ndakanzwisisa kuti maropafadzo ake, minamato yake, rairo yake inosimbisa uye ibwe repakona kwandiri uye kumhuri yangu. Hapana chinhu chinotapira uye chinokatyamadza kupfuura paanotaura neni achiti: "Wadiwa mwanakomana!". Iri ndiro shoko rokutanga: tiri vana vaMwari, vadikamwa. Isu tiri vana vaMambokadzi weRugare, uyo anosunga mugwagwa kubva kuDenga kusvika panyika nekuti anotida. Uye, achitida, anoda kutitungamirira, nokuti anoziva zvatinoda chaizvo ».

Chii chinonzi Mukadzi Wedu uye kuita mukati memisangano yako?
“Pamusoro pazvose, nyengeterai muchitiratidza nzira yokukurukura nayo naMwari.” Uye munyengetero unogona kuva wokureverera, uyewo nokuda kwevavariro nemikumbiro yenyasha dzandinopa kwamuri, kana nokuda kwokuonga kana kurumbidza. Dzimwe nguva bvunzurudzo inova yega: munyaya iyi unondiratidza zvinyoro-nyoro pandakakanganisa; uye, mukuita izvi, ndinoenderera mberi nekukura kwangu pamweya. Kana vamwe vanhu vauya kuratidzwa, vanamatire, kunyanya kune vanorwara, vapristi uye vanhu vakatsaurwa ”.

Nei yave ichionekwa kwenguva yakareba kudaro?
“Kunyangwe mabhishopi akandibvunza mubvunzo uyu. Kune avo vanoti meseji yeMhandara inodzokororwa uye vanopokana kuti mutendi haadi zviratidzo, nekuti chokwadi chekutenda uye chinodiwa paruponeso zvakatowanikwa muBhaibheri, mumaSakaramende uye mune Chechi. Asi Gospa inopindura nomumwe mubvunzo: “Ichokwadi: zvinhu zvose zvakatopiwa; asi unorarama chaizvoizvo Magwaro Matsvene, unorarama here kusangana naJesu kuri mupenyu muYukaristiya?”. Zvirokwazvo mashoko ake ndeevhangeri; dambudziko nderekuti hatirarami vhangeri. Anotaura mutauro wakapfava, unowanikwa, uye anozvidzokorora nerudo rusingaperi, kuitira kuti zvive pachena kuti anoda kusvika kune wese. Anoita saamai kana vana vake vasiri kudzidza kana kuti paanovaona vachirasika mukushamwaridzana nevakaipa ... "Unotaura zvakawanda, asi haurarame." Kutenda hakusi kutaura kwakanaka, asi hupenyu hwemunhu, uye Mukadzi Wedu anotipa zano: “Iva chiratidzo chipenyu; nyengeterai, kuti zvirongwa zvaMwari zviitike, nokuda kwenyu uye nokuda kwaavo vanodikanwa nemi, nokuda kwenyika yose ”. Zvinotora vatsvene vose ».

Pane kusangana newe kwaunonyanya kurangarira here?
«Kana yave Kisimusi, uye Mhandara inoshanyira mhuri yangu ichizviratidza neyake: ichizviratidza naSaint Joseph naJesu mudiki mumaoko ake. Uye ipapo handimbofi ndakakanganwa zvakaitika musi waApril 2, 2005. John Paul II akanga achangobva kufa paakauya achipenya, panguva yekuonekwa, akapfeka nguo chena negoridhe ».

Nhengo dzemhuri yako dzinorarama sei "zvigadziro" zvako zvemazuva ese?
“Pandinenge ndiri kumba, mhuri yangu inogara ichitora chikamu muzviratidzo. Ngatimirirei Amai vekudenga pamwe chete nekudzokorora Rosary kana kufungisisa Magwaro kana kunamata. Mushure mekuonekwa, tinopa kutenda pamwe chete. Uye ini ndinotaura zvakaitwa naMadzimai wedu ndokuti ».

Tinofanira kutya zvakavanzika gumi zvakaziviswa naMaria here? Kutarisira kurangwa?
“Zviratidzo zvenguva zvinoratidza kuti nyika iri kunetseka. Uye zvakavanzika zveMedjugorje zvinewo zviporofita zvezviitiko zvinorwadza. Zvisinei, somuenzaniso, chakavanzika chechinomwe chakapfaviswa neminyengetero. Uye pese paunozviratidza kwandiri, ndinoona tariro nechiedza cheDenga mukutarisa kwako. Mukadzi wedu haauye kuzotiranga, kutishoropodza, asi nekuti isu tinoshandisa zvakanaka rusununguko, kubatanidza nhaurirano uye hukama hwehukama neMusiki wezvese. Hazvisi zvetsaona kuti akazviratidza muMedjugorje saMambokadzi weRunyararo uye mazwi ake ekutanga aive: "Vana vanodiwa, rugare ngaruve pakati pemunhu naMwari uye pakati pevanhu" ».

Richard Caniato

Kunobva: http://www.oggi.it/focus/attualita/2011/06/22/medjugorje-trentanni-di-apparizioni-intervista-esclusiva-al-veggente-ivan/