Umbono u-Ivan waseMedjugorje ukutshela imilayezo eyinhloko ye-Our Lady

UBABA LIVIO: Namuhla sinomusa wokuba nomboni u-Ivan kanye nathi ukuze asitshele ngesipiliyoni esihle asiphile iminyaka engu-31 futhi sinomngane wakhe u-Krizan ozoba umhumushi. Sizoba nengxoxo engasisiza siqonde kangcono imilayezo yeNkosazana Yethu. Siyabonga, Ivan, futhi ngithanda ukuthi usichazele ukuthi unjani umzungezo weNkosazana Yethu, njengoba ube nawo kulezi zinsuku.

U-IVAN: Makadunyiswe uJesu Kristu! U-Vicka, u-Marja kanye nami sihlangana ne-Our Lady nsuku zonke. Sizilungiselela ngomkhuleko weRosari Elingcwele ngo-18, nsuku zonke, sikhuleka nabo bonke abantu ababambe iqhaza, eChapel of the Holy Rosary. Njengoba isikhathi sisondela, 7 kuya ku-20, ngizwa kakhulu ukuba khona kweNkosazana Yethu enhliziyweni yami. Umzuzu engiguqa ngawo phambi kwe-altare yilapho uMama wethu waseZulwini efika. Isibonakaliso sokuqala sokufika kweMadonna ukukhanya; emva kwalokhu kukhanya, kufika uMadonna. Akufani nokukhanya esikubona lapha emhlabeni: lokhu kungukukhanya okuvela eZulwini, ucezu lweZulu luza kithi. Uma nje ifika iNkosazana Yethu angisaboni lutho phambi kwami ​​noma eduze kwami: Ngimbona kuphela! Ngaleso sikhathi angisizwa isikhala noma isikhathi. Futhi izolo kusihlwa INkosikazi Yethu ifike ijabule futhi ijabule futhi yabingelela wonke umuntu ngokubingelela kwakhe okujwayelekile kamama "Makadunyiswe uJesu zingane zami ezithandekayo!". Ngandlela thize wayethandaza elule izandla phezu kwabagulayo ababekhona eSontweni. Esandleni ngasinye, uMadonna uthandaza elule izandla zakhe phezu kwabapristi abakhona; uhlala esibusisa sonke ngesibusiso sakhe sikamama futhi abusise zonke izinto ezingcwele esizilethe ukuze zibusiswe. Kuwo wonke umkhathi, ngihlala ngincoma bonke abantu, izidingo nezinhloso zawo wonke umuntu. Ezikhathini zamuva, ngisho nayizolo ebusuku, iNkosazana Yethu ithandazela ubungcwele emindenini. Thandaza njalo ngolimi lwakhe lwesi-Aramu. Khona-ke, njalo ingxoxo yangasese phakathi kwethu sobabili. Khona-ke iNkosazana Yethu iyaqhubeka nokuthandazela bonke abakhona eChapel; khona-ke, ngomthandazo uyahamba ngesibonakaliso sokukhanya nesiphambano kanye nokubingelela "Hambani ngokuthula, bantwana bami abathandekayo!". Kunzima ngempela ukuchaza ngamagama ukuthi kunjani ukuhlangana ne-Our Lady. Ukuhlangana ne-Our Lady kuyingxoxo phakathi kwethu sobabili. Ngingavuma ukuthi kuyo yonke imihlangano yansuku zonke i-Our Lady ikhuluma nami izwi, umcabango omuhle kangangokuthi ngingaphila ngaleli gama emahoreni angu-24 alandelayo. Yilokhu engingakusho.

UBABA LIVIO: U-Ivan, uzizwa kanjani ngemva kokuvela?

U-IVAN: Kunzima ngempela ukudlulisela lo muzwa kwabanye ngamagama… Kunzima ukudlulisela le njabulo kwabanye. Ngithi kulabo ababambe iqhaza ekubonakaleni: "Kunzima ukululama futhi ubuyele kulo mhlaba ngemva kokuhlangana no-Our Lady!". Kukhona njalo isifiso, ithemba, ngesikhathi sokubonakala, futhi ngithi enhliziyweni yami: "Mama, hlala isikhashana, ngoba kuhle kakhulu ukuba nawe!". Ukumamatheka kwakhe… bheka amehlo akhe agcwele Uthando… Ngiyabona izinyembezi zenjabulo ezehla ebusweni bukaNkosazana Wethu njengoba esibheka sonke ngomthandazo… Ufuna ukusondela kithi sonke futhi asigone !. Uthando lukaMama lukhulu futhi lukhethekile kakhulu! Ukudlulisa lolu thando ngamazwi kunzima ngempela! Lokhu kuthula, le njabulo engiba nayo ngesikhathi sokuvela kweNkosikazi Yethu ihamba nami usuku lonke. Futhi lapho ngingakwazi ukulala ebusuku, ngiyacabanga: uzongitshelani uNkosazana wethu ngosuku olulandelayo? Ngihlola unembeza wami futhi ngicabange ngalokho engangikwenza emini, uma ukunyakaza kwami ​​​​kwakusentandweni yeNkosi, futhi ingabe uNkosikazi Wethu kusihlwa lapho ngimbona uzojabula yini? Nezinye izinto ziyenzeka kimi ngilungiselela ukuvela. Ukuthula, injabulo nothando engicwiliswa kukho phakathi nokubonakala ngakunye kuyinto enhle kakhulu! Isikhuthazo umama anginikeza sona singinikeza isiyalo... Njengoba ngenza kwabahambela indawo engcwele, njengoba ngidlulisela umlayezo kubo, ngingasho ukuthi ngamandla ami obuntu ngiwodwa ngangingeke ngikwazi ukubekezelela ukube iNkosazana Yethu ayizange inginike amandla akhethekile ngaso sonke isikhathi. usuku.

UBABA LIVIO: INkosikazi yethu ithi "NginguMama wakho futhi ngiyakuthanda". Uyamuzwa njengoMama?

IVAN: Yebo, ngimuzwa ngempela njengoMama. Awekho amagama achaza lo muzwa. Ngiphinde nginomama wasemhlabeni: lo mama wangifundisa ngaze ngaba neminyaka eyi-16. INkosikazi yethu yangithatha ngineminyaka engu-16 futhi iyangiqondisa. Ngingasho ukuthi nginomama ababili, umama wasemhlabeni kanye noMama waseZulwini. Bobabili bangomama abahle kakhulu futhi bafisela okuhle kwengane yabo, bayayithanda ingane yabo… Ngingathanda ukunikeza lolu thando kwabanye.

UBABA LIVIO: U-Ivan, lo Mama useneminyaka engaphezu kwengu-30 esithumelela imiyalezo. Yiziphi eziyinhloko?

IVAN: Kule minyaka engu-31 iNkosazana yethu isinikeze imiyalezo eminingi futhi manje asikho isikhathi esanele sokukhuluma ngomlayezo ngamunye, kodwa ngithanda ukugxila ikakhulukazi kweminye ebaluleke kakhulu futhi eyisisekelo. UKUTHULA, UKUGUQUKA, BUYELA KUNKULUNKULU, UKUTHANDAZA NGENHLIZIYO, UKUPHENDUKA NGOKUZILA, UMLAYEZO WOTHANDO, UMYALEZO WOKUTHETHELELA, UKRISTU, UKUFUNDWA KOMBHALO OYINGCWELE, UMLAYEZO WETHEMBA. Uyabona, le milayezo esanda kugqanyiswa iyona ebaluleke kakhulu. Kule minyaka engama-31, i-Our Lady ifuna ukuzijwayeza nathi kancane bese iyenza ibe lula, izisondeze ukuze ikwazi ukuzijwayeza kangcono futhi iphile kangcono. Nginomuzwa wokuthi lapho iNkosazana Yethu isichazela umlayezo, yeka umzamo awenzayo kuwo ukuze siwuqonde futhi siwuphile kangcono! Ngifuna ukugcizelela ukuthi imiyalezo yeNkosikazi yethu iqondiswe emhlabeni wonke, ngoba unguMama wethu sonke. INkosikazi yethu ayizange ithi "amaNtaliyane abathandekayo .. abantu baseMelika abathandekayo ...". Ngaso sonke isikhathi lapho ekhuluma nathi ngomlayezo, uthi "Bantabami abathandekayo!", Ngoba unguMama, usithanda sonke, ngoba sibalulekile kuye. Ngingasho ukuthi lo mlayezo ovela emhlabeni wonke ingeyabantwana bakhe bonke. Ekupheleni komyalezo ngamunye uNkosikazi Wethu uthi: "Ngiyabonga zingane ezithandekayo, ngoba niluphendulile ucingo lwami". Uyabona, Nkosikazi yethu siyabonga ...

UBABA LIVIO: Inkosikazi yethu ithi kumele siyamukele imiyalezo yakhe “ngenhliziyo” ...

IVAN: Umyalezo osuphindwe kaningi kule minyaka engama-31 uwumkhuleko ngenhliziyo, kanye nomyalezo wokuthula. Ngemiyalezo kuphela yokuthandaza ngenhliziyo nokuthi kube nokuthula, uLady wethu ufuna ukwakha yonke eminye imilayezo. Eqinisweni, ngaphandle komthandazo akukho ukuthula. Ngaphandle komkhuleko asikwazi ngisho ukubona isono, asikwazi nokuthethelela, asikwazi ngisho nokuthanda ... Umkhuleko ngempela inhliziyo nomphefumulo wokholo lwethu. Ukuthandaza ngenhliziyo, ukungathandazi ngokomzimba, ukuthandazela ukungalandeli isiko lokuphoqelela; cha, ungathandazi ubheke iwashi ukuqeda umthandazo ngokushesha okukhulu ... INdikazi lethu lifuna sinikeze isikhathi somkhuleko, ukuthi sinikele isikhathi sikaNkulunkulu .. Thandaza ngenhliziyo: umama usifundisani thina? Kulesi "sikole" lapho sithola khona, kusho ngaphezu kwakho konke ukuthandaza ngothando lukaThando. Ukuze sithandaze ngayo yonke impilo yethu futhi senze umthandazo wethu ube yingxenye yokuphila kukaJesu, inkhulumomphendvulwano noJesu, ukuphumula noJesu; ukuze siphume kulo mkhuleko ogcwele injabulo nokuthula, ukukhanya, ngaphandle kwesisindo enhliziyweni. Ngoba umthandazo wamahhala, umthandazo usenza sijabule. ILady yethu ithi: "Kwangathi umkhuleko ungajabulisa wena!". Thandaza ngenjabulo. ILady yethu iyazi, umama uyazi ukuthi asiphelele, kepha ufuna ukuba singene esikoleni somkhuleko futhi nsuku zonke sifunda kulesi sikole; njengabantu, njengomndeni, njengomphakathi, njengeqembu lomkhuleko. Lesi yisikole okufanele siye kuso futhi sibekezele kakhulu, sizimisele, siphikelele: lesi yisipho esihle ngempela! Kepha kufanele sithandazele lesi sipho. U-Lady wethu ufuna sithandaze amahora ama-3 nsuku zonke: lapho abantu bezwa lesi sicelo, bathuka kancanyana futhi bangitshele: "INkosi yethu ingasicela kanjani amahora amathathu womkhuleko nsuku zonke?" Lesi yisifiso sakhe; noma kunjalo, lapho ekhuluma ngamahora ama-3 womkhuleko akusho ukuthi umthandazo weRosary kuphela, kepha kungumbuzo wokufunda iSibhalo Esingcwele, iSidlo Esingcwele, kanye ne-Adalm of the Sacrement Ebusisekile futhi futhi nokwabelana nawe Ngifuna ukufeza lolu hlelo. Kulokhu, nquma okuhle, ulwe nesono, nxamnye nobubi ”. Uma sikhuluma ngalolu "hlelo" lwe-Our Lady, ngingasho ukuthi angazi ngempela ukuthi lolu hlelo luyini. Lokhu akusho ukuthi kufanele ngithandaze ngingakuboni. Akumelwe njalo sazi konke! Kumele sithandaze futhi sithembele kwizicelo zeLady yethu. Uma uLady Wethu efisa lokhu, kufanele samukele isicelo sakhe.

UBABA LIVIO: U-Lady wethu uthi weza ezokwenza umhlaba omusha woxolo. Uyokwazi?

IVAN: Yebo, kodwa kanye nathi sonke, izingane zakho. Lokhu Ukuthula kuzofika, kepha hhayi ukuthula okuvela emhlabeni ... Ukuthula kukaJesu Kristu kuyofika emhlabeni! Kepha uLady wethu wathi futhi kuFatima futhi usamema ukuthi abeke unyawo lwakhe ekhanda likaSathane; ILady yethu iyaqhubeka iminyaka engama-31 lapha eMedjugorje ukusikhuthaza ukuthi sibeke unyawo lwethu ekhanda likaSathane futhi ngalesosikhathi isikhathi sokuthula sibuse.

UBABA LIVIO: Ngemva kokuhlaselwa kwemibhoshongo emibili yaseNew York, iNkosazana Yethu yathi uSathane ufuna inzondo, ufuna impi nokuthi kunesu likaSathane lokubhubhisa iplanethi esiphila kuyo ...

U-IVAN: Mangisho ukuthi uSathane ukhona namuhla, kunanini ngaphambili emhlabeni! Okufanele sikugqamise ngokukhethekile namuhla ukuthi uSathane ufuna ukubhidliza imindeni, ufuna ukucekela phansi abantu abasha: abantu abasha kanye nemindeni bayisisekelo sezwe elisha… Ngingathanda futhi ukusho okunye: USathane ufuna ukubhidliza iBandla ngokwalo. Ukhona nakubo abapristi abangenzi kahle; futhi ufuna ukubhubhisa iziBizo zobuPristi ezizalwayo. Kepha iNkosazana Yethu ihlala isixwayisa ngaphambi kokuba uSathane enze: Uyasixwayisa ngobukhona bakhe. Kulokhu kufanele sithandaze. Kufanele sigqamise ikakhulukazi lezi zingxenye ezibaluleke kakhulu: 1 ° imindeni kanye nabantu abasha, 2 ° iBandla kanye namaMibizelo.

UBABA LIVIO: Inkosikazi yethu yakhetha isifunda saseMedjugorje, futhi ngale ndlela yayifuna ukuqala ukuvuselela iBandla lonke.

IVAN: Ngokungangabazeki konke lokhu kuwuphawu olusobala kakhulu lokuvuselelwa okungokomoya kwezwe nemindeni… Eqinisweni, abahambi abaningi beza lapha eMedjugorje, bashintsha izimpilo zabo, bashintsha impilo yabo yomshado; abanye, ngemva kweminyaka eminingi bebuyela ekuvumeni izono, baba ngcono futhi, bebuyela emakhaya, baba uphawu endaweni abahlala kuyo. Ngokukhuluma ngoshintsho lwabo, basiza iBandla labo, benze amaQembu Omthandazo futhi bameme abanye ukuthi baguqule izimpilo zabo. Lona umnyakazo ongasoze ume… Le mifula yabantu abeza eMedjugorje, singasho ukuthi "balambile". Umhambi weqiniso uhlala eyindoda elambile efuna okuthile; isivakashi siyaphumula futhi siya kwezinye izindawo. Kodwa umhambi weqiniso ufuna enye into. Iminyaka engu-31 yokuhlangenwe nakho kwami ​​kwezambulo, ngihlangane nabantu abavela kuzo zonke izingxenye zomhlaba futhi ngizwa sengathi abantu namuhla balambele ukuthula, balambele uthando, balambele uNkulunkulu.Lapha, bathola uNkulunkulu ngempela futhi impumuzo lapha; bese behamba empilweni ngalolu shintsho. Njengoba ngiyithuluzi leNkosikazi Yethu, kanjalo nabo bazoba amathuluzi akhe okushumayela ivangeli emhlabeni. Sonke kumele sibambe iqhaza kulobuvangeli! Kuyivangeli lomhlaba wonke, umndeni kanye nentsha. Isikhathi esiphila kuso yisikhathi somthwalo omkhulu.

UBABA LIVIO: Akukho neyodwa yezindawo ezingcwele engizaziyo abeza abapristi abaningi kangaka njengaseMedjugorje ...

IVAN: Kuwuphawu lokuthi nanku umthombo; labo Baphristi abeza kanye nabo bayofika ngezinye izikhathi. Akekho umPristi oza eMedjugorje oza ngoba ebophekile, kodwa ngoba ezwe ubizo lukaNkulunkulu enhliziyweni yakhe.Uza ngoba uNkulunkulu umbiza, iNkosazana Yethu imbiza; ngoba uNkulunkulu neNkosazana Yethu bafuna ukuxhumana naye okuthile: umyalezo obaluleke kakhulu. Ufika lapha, awuthole umlayezo, ulethe lomlayezo futhi ngalomyalezo uba ukukhanya. Ayithathe ayibeke epherisheni bese edalula kuwo wonke umuntu.

UBABA LIVIO: Kulo nyaka odlule, ikakhulukazi emilayezweni eya kuMirjana, iNkosazana Yethu incoma ukuthi singabubuli ngaBelusi futhi sibathandazele. INkosikazi yethu ibonakala ikhathazeke kakhulu ngabefundisi beBandla ...

IVAN: Yebo, ngisho emilayezweni anginika yona ngiyakuzwa lokhu kukhathazeka kwakho, kodwa ngesikhathi esifanayo, nomthandazo wabaFundisi, ufuna ukuletha ithemba eBandleni. INkosikazi yethu ayikaze igxeke abaFundisi, ayikaze igxeke iBandla. Uthanda abapristi ngendlela ethile, uthanda “abantwana bakhe abathandekayo” abangabapristi. Njalo ngoLwesine ngihlangana nabaFundisi ekubonakaleni futhi ngiyaqaphela ukuthi lungakanani uthando olukhona emehlweni eNkosikazi yethu lapho ibona laba baPristi "bakhe" behlangene ndawonye. Ngithatha ithuba lale interview ngithi kubo bonke abakholwayo: ningagxeki abefundisi benu futhi ningabheki amaphutha abo; asikhulekele abaPristi!

UBABA LIVIO: INkosikazi Yethu yenza ababukeli babone impilo yangemva kokufa, okungukuthi, ukuphuma kwempilo yethu, ukuze isikhumbuze ukuthi nakhu sisemhlabeni wabahambi. Wena Ivan, uyiswe eZulwini: ungasitshela ngalokhu okwenzekayo?

IVAN: Okokuqala nje kumele kuthiwe kunzima ukuchaza ngamagama ukuthi iZulu linjani. Ngo-1984 nango-1988 yizikhathi ezimbili lapho uNkosikazi Wethu angikhombisa khona iZulu. Wangitshela ngayizolo. Ngalolo suku, ngiyakhumbula, iNkosazana Yethu ifika, ingibambe ngesandla futhi ngomzuzwana ngifikile ePharadesi: indawo engenamingcele esigodini saseMedjugorje, ngaphandle kwemingcele, lapho kuzwakala khona izingoma, kuneziNgelosi nabantu abahamba futhi bahlabelele. ; wonke umuntu ugqoke izingubo ezinde. Lapho ngibuka khona, ngaphawula ukuthi abantu babukeka belingana ngeminyaka ... Kunzima ukuthola amagama. Lokhu nakho kufakazela iVangeli: "Iso alibonanga, indlebe ayizwanga ...". Izulu linzima ngempela ukulichaza! INkosikazi yethu isiqondisa sonke eZulwini futhi lapho iza nsuku zonke isilethela ucezu lweZulu. Ngemuva kwamahlombe akhe ungabona leli Pharadesi ...

UBABA LIVIO: UPawuli oNgcwele uthi wathathwa wayiswa eZulwini, kodwa akazi noma enomzimba noma engenawo umzimba... ngangingaqondi noma wawubona iZulu noma ulethwe khona nomzimba wakho...

IVAN: Ngingasho nje ukuthi uNkosikazi Wethu wangibamba ngesandla ngase ngisuka kuleso sikhundla ngalibona iZulu, iZulu livuleka, kodwa angeke ngisho ukuthi ngomzimba noma cha. Konke kwenzeka ngesikhathi sokuvela. Kwakuyinjabulo enkulu! Okuningi noma ngaphansi lokhu kuzizwisa kuthathe amaminithi angu-5. Kwesinye salezi zikhathi ezimbili zokuhlangenwe nakho, i-Our Lady yangibuza: "Ingabe uyafuna ukuhlala lapha?". Ngiyakhumbula, kwakungu-1984 futhi ngiseyingane futhi ngaphendula: “Cha, ngifuna ukubuyela emuva, ngoba angishongo lutho kumama wami!”.

UBABA LIVIO: Ingabe kulungile ukusho, njengoba uVicka asho futhi, ukuthi ngemva kweminyaka engu-31 “sisesekuqaleni kwemibono”?

IVAN: Lo mbuzo mayelana nobude bezibonakaliso ukhona futhi kubaBhishobhi, abaPristi kanye nabathembekile. Izikhathi eziningi abaPristi bayangibuza: “Kungani behlala isikhathi eside kangaka? Kungani iNkosazana Yethu iza isikhathi eside kangaka? Abanye bathi: "INkosikazi yethu ifika futhi isitshela izinto ezifanayo izikhathi eziningi, akukho okusha ...". Abanye abefundisi bathi: “SineBhayibheli, iBandla, amaSakramente ... Ithini incazelo yalokhu kufika isikhathi eside kweNkosikazi Yethu?”. Yebo, sinalo iBandla, amaSakramente, nemiBhalo Engcwele… Kodwa iNkosazana Yethu isibuza umbuzo: “Kodwa niphila zonke lezi zinto enizibalile ngenhla? Uyabajwayela?" Lona ngumbuzo okufanele ngamunye wethu awuphendule. Ingabe ngempela siphila esinakho? INkosikazi yethu inathi kulokhu. Siyazi ukuthi kumele sithandaze emndenini asikwenzi, siyazi ukuthi kumele sithethelele futhi asithetheleli, siyawazi nomthetho wothando futhi asithandi, siyazi ukuthi kumele senze imisebenzi yothando. futhi asizenzi siyazi ukuthi kunomyalo wokuya eMiseni ngeSonto asiyi lapho, siyazi ukuthi i-Confession iyadingeka kithi, kodwa asiyi lapho, siyazi ukuthi sashada kufanele siphile. iSakramente lomshado wethu, asiphili, siyazi futhi ukuthi kufanele sihloniphe futhi sazise ukuphila kusukela ngesikhathi sokukhulelwa kuze kube sekufeni, kodwa asiyihloniphi le mpilo ... Isizathu sokuthi uMnakazi Wethu abe phakathi kwethu isikhathi eside kangaka. yingoba sinenkani! Asiphili esikwaziyo! Ngempela, kule minyaka engama-31 iNkosazana Yethu ayizange isinikeze umlayezo okhethekile: sazi konke asitshela kona ngemfundiso nangokweSiko LeBandla, kodwa asiphili: leli yiphuzu.

UBABA LIVIO: Kodwa iNkosazana Yethu ithe imiyalezo iyisipho esihle futhi amazwi akhe ayigugu. Mhlawumbe asikwazi lokhu ...

U-IVAN: Ngivumelana nawe ngokugcwele: besingakaqapheli ngokugcwele isipho sokuba khona kukaMama wethu waseZulwini iminyaka engu-31 kakade! Ikakhulukazi kulesi sikhathi esiphila kuso. Ngingasho ngokusobala ukuthi nalesi sifunda sepherishi asazi ngokugcwele ngesipho esitholiwe. Kodwa ngithanda ukugqamisa enye into ebaluleke kakhulu: INkosikazi Yethu ithi lokhu okuza kwayo okude emhlabeni kungokugcina! Ngakho-ke kufanele siqonde ubukhulu nokuphuthuma kwale miyalezo, kanye nobude balezi zibonakaliso lapha eMedjugorje ...

UBABA LIVIO: INkosikazi yethu ikuphathise ukuthi uhole iQembu kusukela ngo-1982 ethumele kuyo imiyalezo eminingi. Umkhetheleni, umqondise kanjani futhi ubefuna ukwenzani ngawe?

IVAN: Kulo nyaka sigubhe iminyaka engu-30 yeQembu lethu: iJubili elihle kithi. Saqala ngokuzenzakalelayo ngo-1982: sabuthana, amaphoyisa asixosha… sasesibona isidingo sokuhlangana njalo ngoMsombuluko, ngoLwesithathu nangoLwesihlanu. Sahlangana eduze kweBlue Cross elokhu ixhumene nokuzalwa kweQembu lethu. Ngifuna ukukutshela, ngokukhethekile, ukuthi iBlue Cross yazalwa kanjani, ekuqaleni kwakuyindawo lapho sacasha khona ukuze sibaleke amaphoyisa. Umngane wami wayefile futhi komunye umngane wami wabeka isiphambano sokhuni futhi bathi kimi: "Lesi siphambano esinamakhandlela siyavutha, kufanele sibeke okunye ukumelana". Nempela senza kanjalo sobabili. Ubaba wayependa insimbi futhi wayenopende oluhlaza okwesibhakabhaka osele; sasingenalutho ngaphandle kwalokho ngakho-ke sapenda lesi siphambano, esimelana kakhulu, nombala oluhlaza okwesibhakabhaka. Kwazalwa kanjalo-ke iBlue Cross.” Kodwa ngifuna ukubuyela kulokho okubalulekile: ekuqaleni sasibuthana futhi sakhuleka amahora amabili noma amathathu isikhathi ngasinye. Khona-ke iNkosazana Yethu yathi ifuna ukuza izothandaza nathi. Imihlangano yethu yayiba ngaphansi kwazo zonke izimo zezulu: i-bora, iqhwa, imvula. Kwesinye isikhathi iNkosazana yethu yayisicela ukuthi siye lapho ukuze sithandaze ngehora lesibili noma lesithathu ekuseni futhi sasizimisele: noma yini uMama Wethu ayesicela ukuba siyenze, sasizimisele ukuyenza ngenhliziyo yethu yonke! Futhi ngakho IQembu lalikhula. Amanye amalungu eQembu ayengasakwazi ukwenza imisebenzi enzima kaMadonna; futhi ngenxa yalokhu balishiya iQembu. Kodwa abanye abasha sebefikile futhi okwamanje siyiqembu labantu abangu-25. Sisabuthana; INkosikazi Yethu inikeze imiyalezo eminingi futhi ngale miyalezo iNkosazana Yethu iyasiqondisa. Lena imihlangano evulekile futhi bonke abafisa bangabamba iqhaza: eBlue Cross nasePodbrdo. Ngithanda ukugcizelela ukuthi inhloso yaleliQembu, ngokubamba iqhaza kanye nemikhuleko, ukwenza imisebenzi iNkosazana Yethu enayo ngePherishi, yabaPristi kanye nezinye izinhloso zeNkosikazi Yethu. Ibizwa ngokuthi “Indlovukazi Yokuthula” Group, okwathi ngemva kwalokho kwazalwa amaQembu amaningi agqugquzelwa yileliQembu. Babaluleke kakhulu: eBandleni, emndenini futhi banikeza inkuthazo enkulu ekushumayeleni ivangeli emhlabeni wonke.

UBABA LIVIO: Yiqembu lomkhuleko leMadonna. Futhi usize Nkosazana Yethu.

U-IVAN: Yebo!

BABA LIVIO: Kuyiqiniso yini ukuthi “isikhathi sezimfihlo” siyoba yisikhathi sokuvivinywa okukhulu eBandleni nasezweni lonke?

U-IVAN: Yebo, ngiyavuma. Mayelana nezimfihlo asinakusho lutho, kodwa ngingasho nje ukuthi isikhathi esibaluleke kakhulu siyeza; ngendlela ethile kunesikhathi esibalulekile seBandla. Kufanele sonke sithandazele le nhloso.

UBABA LIVIO: Ingabe kuyoba isikhathi sokuvivinywa kokholo?

U-IVAN: Usevele ekhona manje...

UBABA LIVIO: Ingabe mhlawumbe kungenxa yalesi sizathu ukuthi uBenedict XVI, ephefumulelwe yi-Our Lady, ememezele "Unyaka Wokholo"?

IVAN: UPapa uqondiswa ngesandla sikaMadonna ngqo; futhi yena, kulesi sivumelwano naye, uhola iBandla lakhe nomhlaba wonke. Namuhla ekubonakaleni ngizonitusa nonke futhi ngendlela ekhethekile bonke abagulayo; ikakhulukazi ngizoncoma iRadio Maria ukuthi isakaze lezi zindaba ezinhle nezinhle! Ngizophinde ngincome abantu baseMelika nabaseMelika lapho kuzokhethwa khona uMengameli omusha kulo nyaka, uMongameli ozoqondisa iMelika ezinyathelweni zokuthula nokuhle, hhayi ngamazwi kuphela, kodwa nangempilo. Ndlovukazi yokuthula, sikhulekele!

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