U-Ivan waseMedjugorje uchaza ukukhanya okuza ngesikhathi sohlelo lweMadonna

U-Ivan, izinsuku ezinhle zaseMedjugorje sezidlulile. Uyizwe kanjani le migubho?
Kimina kuhlale kuyinto ekhethekile lapho kugujwa lezi zinsuku ezinkulu. Izinsuku ezimbili zokugcina, ezigujwa ngendlela ehloniphekile, zaba isiphetho salokho esaqala ngeNovena ukuze sizilungiselele ukufika kweNkosikazi Yethu. Zonke lezi zinsuku eziyisishiyagalolunye zaba neqhaza elikhulu ekulungiseleleni, futhi lapho sisondela kuJuni 24 no-25, kulapho yonke into eyayisekuqaleni kwemibono yavuka kimi. Ngakho ngaba nethuba lokuphinda ngikhumbule konke okwakukuhle, kodwa futhi nokushushiswa nokuhlushwa njalo kuleyo minyaka yobukhomanisi, lapho sihlupheka ngokwesaba nokungaqiniseki futhi sihlukunyezwa macala onke.

Ucabanga ukuthi namuhla bekufanele kube njena?
Kwakufanele kube njalo futhi kwakungeke kube ngenye indlela. Bekunengcindezi macala onke. Mina ngokwami ​​ngazizwa ngisesimweni sokwethuka. Ngangesaba ukuthi kuzokwenzekani. Ngabona iNkosazana Yethu, kodwa ngakolunye uhlangothi ngangingenaso isiqiniseko ngokuphelele. Angizange ngikholwe ngaso leso sikhathi. Ngosuku lwesibili, lapho siqala ukukhuluma neNkosazana Yethu, kwase kulula futhi ngase ngilungele ukunikela ngokuphila kwami ​​ngenxa yeNkosazana Yethu.

Ngajabula, ngosuku lwesikhumbuzo, ukukwazi ukuba khona ekubonakaleni kwakho noMarija. Umbono wawumude kancane.
Ukuhlangana no-Our Lady kuyinto ekhethekile, engavamile. Izolo, ngesikhathi sokubonakala, usenze sakhumbula konke okwakukhona ekuqaleni; izinto ezazingakaze zingifikele ezinsukwini eziyisishiyagalolunye ezedlule lapho mina mathupha ngilungiselela ukuza Kwakhe okunesizotha. INkosikazi yethu yasibuyisela emuva namazwi Ayo futhi yasitshela: "Khumbulani konke, bantwana abathandekayo, futhi ngaphezu kwazo zonke lezo zinsuku ezithile nezinzima" Khona-ke, ngemva kwakho konke lokho okwakunzima kithi, wakhuluma ngakho konke okwakukuhle. Kuyinto enhle futhi kuwuphawu lukamama othanda zonke izingane zakhe.

Sitshele okuthile ngalokho obekukuhle kuwe...
Thina bababoni abayisithupha sabhekana naleyo minyaka yokuqala yemibono ngendlela ethile. Futhi lokho esikuphilayo kuhlala phakathi kwethu neMadonna. Uhlale esikhuthaza futhi esiduduza ngamazwi akhe athi: “Ningesabi bantwabami, nginikhethile futhi ngiyanivikela”. Ngalezo zikhathi la mazwi ayebaluleke kakhulu kithi kangangokuthi sasingeke sikwazi ukumelana nala mazwi kamama enduduzo. Yilokhu iNkosazana Yethu ehlale isikhumbuza yona ngoJuni 24 no-25, futhi ikhuluma ngakho nathi. Ngingasho ukuthi lezi zinsuku ezimbili akuzona izinsuku ezijwayelekile.

Ivan, ngikubhekile njengoba wawubona lo mhlola. Ngiqaphele ukuthi ngaphambi kokuvela ubuso bakho buhluke ngokuphelele kunangemva ...
Ngihlale ngisho ukuthi ukufika kweNkosikazi yethu kungukuza kokukhanya kwaphezulu kulomhlaba. Ngokushesha nje lapho iNkosazana Yethu ifika, kungokwemvelo ngokuphelele ukuthi lokhu kukhanya kwaphezulu kusikhanyisele, futhi uyalubona ushintsho ebusweni bethu. Siguqulwe ngenxa yokufika kokukhanya kwaphezulu emhlabeni, kunethonya kithi.

Ngabe usangasitshela ngalesi Sky, lokhu kukhanya?
Lapho iLady Yethu ifika, into efanayo ihlala iphindaphindwa: okokuqala ukukhanya kuza futhi lokhu kukhanya kuwuphawu lokuza Kwakhe. Ngemuva kokukhanya, iMadonna iza. Lokhu kukhanya akunakuqhathaniswa nanoma yikuphi okunye ukukhanya esikubona emhlabeni. Ngemuva kweMadonna ungabona isibhakabhaka, esingekude kangako. Angizwa lutho, ngibona kuphela ubuhle bokukhanya, kwesibhakabhaka, angazi ukuthi ngingakuchaza kanjani, ukuthula, injabulo. Ikakhulu uma i-Lady Yethu ivela ngezikhathi ezithile nezingelosi, lesi sibhakabhaka sisondela kakhulu kithi.

Ungathanda ukuhlala lapho unomphela?
Ngikhumbula kahle ngesikhathi iLady Yethu eyake yangiholela ezulwini yangibeka egqumeni. Kwakubukeka sengathi kufana nokuthi sibe "esiphambanweni esiluhlaza okwesibhakabhaka" futhi ngaphansi kwethu kwakukhona isibhakabhaka. Umama wethu wamamatheka wangibuza ukuthi ngifuna ukuhlala lapho. Ngaphendula ngathi, "Cha, cha, okwamanje, ngicabanga ukuthi usangidinga, Mama." Ngemuva kwalokho u-Lady Wethu wamamatheka, waguqula ikhanda thina sibuyele emhlabeni.

Sikanye nawe esontweni. Umise leli sonto ukuze ukwazi ukwamukela abahambeli ngasese ngesikhathi sohlelo lokusebenza futhi ube nokuthula kwengqondo ngomkhuleko wakho.
I-chapel engibe nayo kuze kube manje yayisendlini yami. Kwakuyigumbi engangihlelele ukuthi umhlangano noMadonna lwenzelwe kuwo. Igumbi lalincane futhi lalincane igumbi lalabo ababengivakashela futhi ngangifuna ukuba khona ngesikhathi sohlelo. Ngakho-ke nginqume ukwakha i-chapel enkulu lapho engathola khona iqembu elikhudlwana labahambi. Namuhla ngijabule ngokukwazi ukuthola amaqembu amakhudlwana abahambi, ikakhulukazi abakhubazekile. Kepha le chapel ayenzelwe kuphela ababahambi, kepha futhi iyindawo yami, lapho engingathatha umhlalaphansi khona nomndeni wami ekhoneni lengokomoya, lapho singaphinda khona iRosary ngaphandle kokusiphazamisa. E-chapel abukho iSakramente eliBusisekile, awekho amaMisa ayagujwa. Kumane kuyindawo yokuthandaza lapho ungaguqa khona emabhentshini futhi uthandaze.

Umsebenzi wakho ukuthandazela imindeni nabaphristi. Ungayisiza kanjani imindeni esesezilingweni ezinkulu kakhulu namuhla?
Namuhla isimo semindeni sinzima kakhulu, kepha mina engibona ama-Madonna nsuku zonke, ngingasho ukuthi isimo asisiyo eyokufisa. ILady yethu isineminyaka engama-26 ilapha ukusikhombisa ukuthi azikho izimo zokuphelelwa yithemba. Kukhona uNkulunkulu, kukhona ukholo, kukhona uthando nethemba. U-Lady wethu ufisa ukuthi ngaphezu kwakho konke agcizelele ukuthi lezi zimfanelo kufanele zibe kwindawo yokuqala emndenini. Ngubani ongaphila namuhla, kulesi sikhathi, ngaphandle kwethemba? Akekho, ngisho nalabo abangenalo ukholo. Lomhlaba othanda izinto ezibonakalayo unikela ngezinto eziningi emindenini, kepha uma imindeni ingakhuli ngokomoya futhi ingachithi isikhathi sokuthandaza, ukufa kokomoya kuqala. Noma kunjalo umuntu uzama ukufaka izinto zokomoya esikhundleni sezinto ezibonakalayo, kepha lokhu akunakwenzeka. ILady yethu ifuna ukusikhipha kulesi sihogo. Sonke namuhla siphila emhlabeni ngesivinini esikhulu kakhulu futhi kulula kakhulu ukusho ukuthi asinasikhathi. Kepha ngiyazi ukuthi labo abathanda okuthile nabo bathola isikhathi ngakho, ngakho-ke uma sifuna ukulandela imiyalezo yeLady neyeyakhe, kumele sithole isikhathi sikaNkulunkulu .Ngakho umndeni kumele uthandaze nsuku zonke, kumele sibekezele futhi sithandaze njalo. Namuhla akulula ukubutha izingane ngomkhuleko ojwayelekile, ngakho konke abanakho. Akulula ukuchaza konke lokhu ezinganeni, kodwa uma sithandaza sindawonye, ​​ngalo mkhuleko ojwayelekile izingane zizokuqonda ukuthi kuyinto enhle.

Emndenini wami ngizama impilo eqhubekayo emthandazweni. Lapho ngiseBoston nomndeni wami, sithandaza ekuseni kakhulu, ntambama nakusihlwa. Uma ngilapha eMedjugorje ngaphandle komndeni wami, umkami ukukwenza nezingane. Ukuze senze lokhu, kufanele sizinqobe kuqala kwezinye izinto, ngoba sinesifiso nezifiso zethu.

Lapho sibuyela ekhaya sikhathele, okokuqala kufanele sizinikele ngokuphelele empilweni yomndeni ejwayelekile. Ngemuva kwalokhu, futhi lo ngumsebenzi wendoda yomndeni. Akudingeki ukuthi, "Anginaso isikhathi, ngikhathele." Thina bazali, njengamalungu aphambili omndeni, kumele sibe ngabokuqala, kumele sibe yisibonelo kwabethu emphakathini.

Kukhona futhi namathonya aqinile avela ngaphandle emndenini: umphakathi, umgwaqo, ukungathembeki ... Umndeni ulimele ezindaweni eziningi. Abalingani basebenzisana kanjani nomshado namuhla? Ngaphandle kokulungiselela. Bangaki babo abanezintshisakalo zomuntu siqu zokuthola inkontileka yomshado, izifiso zabo? Awukho umndeni oqinile ongakhiwa ngaphansi kwezimo ezinjalo. Lapho izingane zifika, abazali abaningi abakakulungeli ukubakhulisa. Azilungele izinselelo ezintsha. Singazibonisa kanjani izingane zethu okulungile uma thina ngokwethu singakulungele ukusifunda noma singazihlola? Emibhalweni ethi Umama Wethu uhlala ephindaphinda ukuthi kufanele sithandazele ubungcwele emndenini. Namuhla ubungcwele emndenini bubaluleke kakhulu ngoba alikho iBandla eliphilayo ngaphandle kokuphila nemindeni engcwele. Namuhla umndeni kumele uthandaze kakhulu ukuze uthando, ukuthula, injabulo kanye nokuzwana kubuye.

Yini ofuna ukuyisho ekupheleni kwengxoxo yethu ngesikhathi seminyaka engama-26 yokubonakala kwabantu?
Kuyo yonke le minyaka sike sakhuluma ngezinto eziningi noMnakazi Wethu, kodwa uNkosikazi Wethu ufisa ukwenza umsebenzi Wakhe kanye nomklamo Wakhe nathi, ongakafinyeleli esiphethweni. Kumele siqhubeke sikhuleka silandele indlela ositshengisa yona. Ukuba ngempela isibonakaliso esiphilayo, ithuluzi ezandleni Zakhe futhi ngangizonikela ngokuphelele emseni kaNkulunkulu.” Izolo iNkosazana Yethu ikugcizelele ngokunembile lokhu lapho ithi: “Zivuleni emuseni kaNkulunkulu!”. EVangelini kuthiwa umoya unamandla, kodwa inyama ibuthakathaka. Ngakho-ke kumele sihlale sivulekele umoya ukuze silandele icebo leVangeli, icebo leNkosikazi Yethu.