U-Ivan waseMedjugorje: I-Lady yethu ikhombisa ukuthi ungaphila kanjani iVangeli

Nithi nina mboni ngaphambi kwemibono anihlangani ngisho nokuhlangana. Yibuphi ubudlelwano obakhiwe ngemva kwalokho?
Yebo, siyisithupha sinezinhlamvu ezihlukene, ezihluke kakhulu, futhi ekuqaleni nangaphambi kokuvela ezimweni eziningi asizange sithandane. Phakathi kwezinye izinto, abahlanu bethu babesebasha, kodwa uJakov wayeyingane.
Kodwa, kusukela ngesikhathi iNkosazana Yethu isihlanganisa ngaso, le ndaba yasihlanganisa futhi ngokuhamba kwesikhathi kwasungulwa ubuhlobo obuseduze phakathi kwethu. Futhi akusho ukuthi asihlanganiswa nje kuphela ngokuthi i-Our Lady ibonakala kithi, kodwa kuzo zonke izimo eziqinile zokuphila kwethu; futhi sihlanganyela ubunzima bansuku zonke obuvelayo ekuphatheni umndeni, ekukhuliseni izingane… Sixoxa sodwa ngezinto ezisihehayo, ngezilingo ezisihlulayo, ngoba nathi kwesinye isikhathi siyakuzwa ukukhala kwezwe; ubuthakathaka bethu busekhona futhi kufanele kuliwe. Futhi ukwabelana ngazo kusisiza ukuba sisukume, siqinise ukholo lwethu, sihlale silula, sisekelane futhi sibone ngokucacile ukuthi iNkosazana Yethu ifunani kithi. Kunoma yikuphi, lesi sibopho sisebunyeni, ngoba sihlala singabantu abanezinhlamvu ezihluke kakhulu komunye nomunye, abanombono ophawulekayo futhi oyingqayizivele wezwe ophinde uthinte izici ezincane nezisekhaya.

Imihlangano yenzeka kanjani phakathi kwenu? Akuvamile ukuba ube nemibono ndawonye futhi impilo ikuyise ezindaweni ezikude kakhulu ...
Lapho sonke silapha noma, kunoma yikuphi, nalabo abalapha siphinde sihlangane izikhathi ezimbalwa ngesonto, kodwa ngezinye izikhathi ngaphansi ngoba ngamunye unomkhaya wakhe siqu kanye nezibopho eziningi kubahambi. Kodwa siyakwenza, ikakhulukazi ezikhathini zokuminyana okukhulu, futhi sizama ukugcina ukwaziswa kwethu kwamuva nokuzindla ngalokho uMama wethu osezulwini akusho komunye nomunye. Kuwusizo kakhulu ngathi ukuxoxa ngezimfundiso zakhe, ngoba amehlo amane abona kangcono kunamabili futhi ngaleyo ndlela singakwazi ukubamba ama-nuances ahlukene.
Kubalulekile, ngoba kufanele siqale silwele ukuqonda futhi ngaphezu kwakho konke ukuphila lokho okushiwo noMama Wethu. Akunjalo ngoba singababoni ukuthi kufanele sizizwe silungile.

Kodwa-ke, ningamaphuzu okubhekiselwa kuwo, othisha bokholo besifunda saseMedjugorje.
Ngamunye wethu ulandela amaqembu omkhuleko. Uma ngilapha ngiqala kabusha impilo yepherishi, futhi ngokwami ​​ngihola iqembu lomkhuleko labantu abangamashumi amathathu elasungulwa ngo-1983. Iminyaka eyisikhombisa yokuqala sasihlangana ngoMsombuluko, ngoLwesithathu nangoLwesihlanu, kanti manje sihlangana kabili kuphela ngesonto. , amahora amathathu okuthandaza ndawonye okuhlanganisa nomzuzu wokuvela. Kokunye sidumisa uJehova, sithandaza kuye ngokuzenzakalelayo, sifunda imiBhalo, sicule futhi sizindle ndawonye. Kwesinye isikhathi sizithola sisemva kweminyango evaliwe kimina, kanti kwezinye izimo sibuthana egqumeni lemibono samukela bonke abafisa ukubamba iqhaza. Kepha kufanele kubhekwe ukuthi ngaleso sikhathi, ebusika, ngiseBoston ...

I-Medjugorje-Boston: yimuphi umsebenzi owenzayo?
Anginawo umsebenzi othize, ngoba isikhathi esiningi ngichitha unyaka ngifakaza kuma-diocese nasezifundeni ezingimemileyo. Ngokwesibonelo, ebusika obudlule, ngavakashela amasonto acishe abe yikhulu; ngakho-ke ngichitha isikhathi sami enkonzweni yababhishobhi, abapristi besifunda kanye namaqembu omkhuleko abacelayo. Ngihambe ubude nobubanzi bamazwe amabili aseMelika, kodwa ngiye ngaya e-Australia naseNew Zealand. Njengomthombo wemali umndeni wami unamafulethi athile eMedjugorje ukwamukela abahambi.

Ingabe nawe unomsebenzi othile?
Ngokubambisana neqembu lomkhuleko, ukuthunywa okungiphathiswe yiNkosikazi Yethu ukusebenza nokusebenzela abantu abasha. Ukuthandazela abantu abasha kusho nokuthi ukuba neso emndenini nakubaphristi abasebasha nabantu abangcwelisiwe.

Intsha iya kuphi namuhla?
Lesi yisihloko esihle. Kuzoba nokuningi esingakusho, kepha kuningi kakhulu esingakwenza futhi sikhuleke. Isidingo sokuthi iLady yethu ikhuluma kaningi emilayezweni ukubuyisa umkhuleko emindenini. Imindeni engcwele iyadingeka. Abaningi, ngakolunye uhlangothi, baya emshadweni bengazilungiselele izisekelo zenyunyana yabo. Impilo yanamuhla ngokuqinisekile ayisizi, ngeziphazamiso zayo, ngenxa yemigqi yokusebenza ecindezelayo engakhuthazi ukucabanga ngalokho okwenzayo, lapho uya khona, noma izithembiso ezingamanga zokuba khona okulula ukukala okufanele nokuthanda izinto ezibonakalayo. Yizo zonke lezi zibuko zamalaki angaphandle komndeni agcina ngokubhubhisa abaningi, ukuphula ubudlelwano.

Ngeshwa, namuhla imindeni ithola izitha, kunokuba isize, ngisho esikoleni nabangane bezingane zayo, noma ezindaweni zabazali bayo zomsebenzi. Nazi ezinye izitha zomndeni ezethusayo: izidakamizwa, utshwala, amaphephandaba amaningi, umabonakude kanye ne-cinema.
Singaba kanjani ngofakazi phakathi kwentsha?
Ukunikeza ubufakazi kuwumsebenzi, kodwa maqondana nokuthi ufuna ukufinyelela kubani, maqondana nobudala nendlela akhuluma ngayo, ungubani nokuthi uvelaphi. Kwesinye isikhathi siyashesha, futhi sigcina siphoqa onembeza, sizibeka engcupheni yokuphoqa umbono wethu wezinto kwabanye. Esikhundleni salokho, kufanele sifunde ukuba yizibonelo ezinhle futhi sivumele isiphakamiso sethu sivuthwe kancane. Kunesikhathi ngaphambi kokuvunwa esidinga ukunakekelwa.
Isibonelo singithinta ngqo. U-Lady wethu usimema ukuba sithandaze amahora amathathu ngosuku: abaningi bathi "kuningi", futhi nentsha eningi, izingane zethu eziningi zicabanga kanjalo. Ngihlukanise lesi sikhathi phakathi kwekuseni nantambama nantambama - kufaka phakathi iMass, iRose, Holy Sacre nokuzindla ngalesi sikhathi - futhi ngafika esiphethweni sokuthi akukuningi.
Kepha izingane zami zingacabanga ngenye indlela, futhi zingabheka umqhele weRosary ukuzivocavoca okuhle. Kulokhu, uma ngifuna ukubasondeza emthandazweni nakuMariya, kuzofanela ngibachazele ukuthi yini iRosary futhi, ngasikhathi sinye, ngibakhombise ngempilo yami ukuthi ibaluleke kangakanani futhi inempilo kimi; kepha ngiyakugwema ukuyifaka kuye, ukulindela ukuba umkhuleko ukhule ngaphakathi kwabo. Futhi-ke, ekuqaleni, ngizobanika enye indlela yokuthandaza, sizoncika kwamanye amafomula, abalungele ngokwengeziwe isimo sabo sokukhula, indlela yabo yokuphila nokucabanga.
Ngoba emthandazweni, kubo nakithi, ubungako abubalulekile, uma ikhwalithi incipha. Umkhuleko osezingeni lihlanganisa amalunga omndeni, ukhiqiza ukunamathela okuqinile okholweni nakuNkulunkulu.
Intsha eningi izizwa inesizungu, ilahliwe, ingathandwa: ungabasiza kanjani? Yebo, kuyiqiniso: inkinga umndeni ogulayo owakha izingane ezigulayo. Kepha umbuzo wakho awunakusulwa emigqeni embalwa: umfana ophuza izidakamizwa uhlukile kumfana owele ekucindezelekeni; noma umfana ocindezelekile mhlawumbe udla nezidakamizwa. Umuntu ngamunye udinga ukusondelwa ngendlela efanele futhi akukho ndlela eyodwa, ngaphandle komkhuleko nothando okufanele ulufake ekusebenzeleni kwakho.

Akumangalisi yini ukuthi wena, oyikho ngokwemvelo - kodwa kulokho esikubonayo "ubukhona" - unamahloni kakhulu, ucelwa ukuba ushumayele abantu abasha, okungeyona neze izethameli ezilula?
Unesiqiniseko sokuthi kule minyaka engamashumi amabili, ngibuka uMnakazi Wethu, ngimlalela futhi ngizama ukwenza lokho akucelayo, ngishintshe kakhulu, ngibe nesibindi kakhulu; ubufakazi bami sebucebile, bujula. Kodwa-ke, amahloni asekhona futhi ngiyakuqinisekisa ukuthi kulula kakhulu kimi, ngenxa yokuzethemba okudalwe ngokuhamba kwesikhathi, ukubhekana noMadonna kunokubheka ekamelweni eligcwele abantu abasha, eligcwele abahambi.

Uhambela kakhulu eMelika: ingabe unombono wokuthi mangaki amaqembu omkhuleko aseMedjugorje akhiwe lapho?
Kusukela kudatha yakamuva abaxhumane nami, singamaqembu angaba ngu-4.500.

Ingabe uhamba nomndeni wakho noma uwedwa?
Ngedwa.

Kimi kubonakala sengathi ngaphezu kwabanye ababoni unomsebenzi othile wokuletha umyalezo weMedjugorje emhlabeni. Kodwa nguNkosazana Wethu okubuzayo?
Yebo, iNkosazana Yethu iyangibuza; Ngikhuluma kakhulu nani, nginitshela konke, ngihamba nani, futhi mhlawumbe kuyiqiniso ukuthi nginikela isikhathi esiningi kunabanye sokuhamba, esiningi saso siyadingeka kimi ngenxa yobuphostoli. Kubalulekile ukuhamba, ikakhulukazi ukufinyelela bonke labo bantu abampofu abazi i-Medjugorje, kodwa ukuhamba kwabo okubandakanya ukuzidela okukhulu. Abantu ezimweni eziningi vele baphila imiyalezo ye-Medjugorje futhi engcono kakhulu kunami.
Isinyathelo salo lonke uhambo kufanele ngaso sonke isikhathi sivele kubapristi, akumina engiziphakamisela usuku lomkhuleko, njengobufakazi. Ngijabula kakhulu lapho abefundisi besifunda bengimema emasontweni, ngoba kwakhiwa isimo sokuthandaza esivumela ukumenyezelwa kwemiyalezo yeNkosikazi Yethu; kuyilapho ezingqungqutheleni ezinezikhulumi eziningi kunengozi yokuhlakazeka kakhulu.

Phambilini uke wakhuluma ngababhishobhi: ingabe baningi abavuna iMedjugorje? Ucabangani ngaloPapa?
Ngahlangana nababhishobhi abaningi lapho engangimenywe khona; futhi ezimweni eziningi bangenza ngizihambele ngokwabo. Futhi bonke abapristi abangimemele emasontweni abo yingoba bayawubona umyalezo weVangeli emilayezweni yeNkosikazi Yethu. Emilayezweni yeNkosazana Yethu babona isicelo esifanayo sikaBaba Ongcwele esiphindaphindwayo sokuba kushunyayelwe kabusha umhlaba.
Ababhishobhi abaningi baye bafakaza kimi ngokuzinikela okukhethekile kukaJohn Paul II kuMariya, okufakazelwa kubo bonke ubupapa bakhe. Ngikhumbula njalo ukuthi ngo-August 25, 1994, lapho uBaba Ongcwele eseCroatia futhi iNcasakazi ibhekisela kuye, ngokoqobo, njengethuluzi layo: "Bantwana abathandekayo, namuhla ngiseduze nani ngendlela ekhethekile, ukuze ngithandazele isipho ubukhona bendodana yami ethandekayo ezweni lakini. Thandazelani izingane impilo yendodana yami ethandekayo ehluphekayo futhi engiyikhethile ngalesi sikhathi ». Umuntu ucishe acabange ukuthi ukungcweliswa komhlaba ku-Our Lady kuncike egunyeni elinikezwe nguyena.

Lapha eMedjugorje imiphakathi eminingi ingumthombo, isithombe esiphilayo sengcebo yokunyakaza eBandleni lesimanje: uyavumelana na?
Uma ngikhona anginayo indlela yokubuza ukuthi ngihlangana nobani ukuthi bayingxenye yamuphi umnyakazo. Ngokubona bonke labo bantu bekhuleka, behlezi ezihlalweni zamabandla, ngizitshela ukuthi sonke siyingxenye yeBandla elilodwa, emphakathini owodwa.
Angizazi iziphambeko eziqondile zenhlangano ngayinye, kodwa ngiyaqiniseka ukuthi zingamathuluzi awusizo kakhulu okusindisa labo abavame ukuwavakashela uma nje beseBandleni, abathanda iBandla futhi basebenzela ubunye balo; futhi ukuze lokhu kwenzeke kuyadingeka ukuba abapristi noma okungenani abantu abangcwelisiwe babaqondise. Uma kukhona abantu abavamile ekhanda, kuyoba kubalulekile ukuthi ngaso sonke isikhathi kube nesibopho esiseduze neSonto kanye nabapristi bendawo, ngoba kulesi simo kukhona isiqinisekiso esikhulu sokukhula ngokomoya ngokweVangeli.
Ngaphandle kwalokho ingozi yokushwibeka okuyingozi iyanda, ingozi yokuphela kwendlela ikude nemfundiso kaJesu Kristu. Futhi lokhu kuyiqiniso nasemiphakathini emisha, nayo eseMedjugorje echuma ngokuzenzakalelayo. Nginesiqiniseko sokuthi uMariya uyajabula ngokuthi abaningi bafisa ukuzahlukanisela kuNkulunkulu noma ukwenza indlela yokuphila egxile kakhulu emthandazweni, nokho-ke kuyadingeka ukuba uqaphe futhi bonke basebenze ngendlela efanayo. Futhi emiphakathini ekhona, ngokwesibonelo, ngicela ukunaka ngokukhethekile iziqondiso zepherishi kanye nombhishobhi, omele igunya leSonto LamaKatolika eMedjugorje. Ngaphandle kwalokho, ingozi iwukuthi wonke umuntu uwela esilingweni esifanayo esidala sokwenza ipherishi eyedwa.
Phela nina bombono nibe ngabokuqala ukugcizelela isibopho senu njengokwethembeka, kanye neNkosazana Yethu njengothisha womkhuleko, nesifunda saseMedjugorje ...
EBandleni naseBandleni.

EBandleni kukhona ukungezwani okuthile kwemvelo yemfundiso yenkolo: ngokwesibonelo, sifuna ukuphinda sixoxe ngobungangamsha bukaPapa, kunezikhundla ezihlukene ezindabeni ezifana ne-ecumenism, isayensi, i-bioethics, izimiso zokuziphatha ... Kodwa futhi nasemfundisweni. kanye nezinga lokukhuleka esesifinyelele kulo ukuze singabaze ubukhona bangempela bukaJesu eMthendelekweni, ukubaluleka kwerosari yomphakathi kulahlekile… Ingabe uMariya ukhathazekile? Ucabangani ngakho?
Angisona isazi sezenkolo, angifuni ukuwelela ensimini okungeyona eyami; Ngiyakwazi ukusho ukuthi uyini umbono wami siqu. Ngathi abapristi bangabaholi bemvelo bomhlambi okufanele umuntu athembele kuwo. Kodwa ngalokhu angisho ukuthi akufanele babheke eBandleni, kubabhishobhi, kuPapa, ngoba umthwalo wabo wemfanelo mkhulu ngempela. Siphila esikhathini esinzima emiphakathini nakubapristi futhi mina ngokwami ​​sihlupheka kakhulu ngokubona abapristi abaningi kangaka beshiya umphakathi wabo. Kuyingozi kubapristi ukuzivumela ukuthopha umqondo walelizwe: izwe lingelikaNkulunkulu, kodwa ububi sebungenile ezweni elisiphazamisayo eqinisweni lempilo yethu.
Ake ngicacise: ukungena engxoxweni nalabo abacabanga ngendlela ehlukile kithi kuhle, kodwa ngaphandle kokuyeka lokho okubonisa ukholo lwethu, okugcina uphawu lwe-ego yethu. Ngifuna ukwethemba ukuthi lapho nginikeza khona abefundisi abakhuleka kakhulu, ikakhulukazi abazinikele eNkazaneni Yethu, umphakathi unempilo kakhudlwana, uyaphila, kunezokuthutha ezingokomoya; Isidlo esikhulu senziwa phakathi kompristi nemindeni, futhi umphakathi wepherishi wona uphakamisa isithombe somndeni.
Uma umpristi wakho wesifunda enezikhundla ezilinganiselwe mayelana ne-magisterium yeBandla, yini okufanele uyenze? Uyamlandela, uyamphelezela noma, ngenxa yabantwana, uya komunye umphakathi?
Ngaphandle kosizo lomunye nomunye ngeke siye phambili. Impela kufanele sithandazele abapristi bethu, ukuze uMoya oNgcwele uvuselele imiphakathi yethu. Uma ungangibuza ukuthi isiphi isibonakaliso esikhulu kunazo zonke se-apparitions yaseMedjugorje, ngingasho ukuthi silele ezigidini zeSidlo engazi ukuthi ziye zaphathwa kule minyaka e-St. James, nakubo bonke ubufakazi obuvela ezindaweni zonke. izwe labantu okuthi uma bebuyela ekhaya aguqule impilo yakhe. Kodwa oyedwa enkulungwaneni oshintsha inhliziyo yakhe ngemva kokuba lapha wayeyokwanela kukho konke okwenzekile futhi okwenzekayo ukuba kube nomqondo.

Zonke izimpendulo zakho zisesikweni nasekuthembekeni eBandleni, eVangelini ...
Kule minyaka engamashumi amabili uNkosikazi Wethu akasitshelanga lutho olungakatholakali eVangelini, uselikhumbuze nje ngezindlela eziyinkulungwane zokulikhumbula ngoba abaningi base belikhohliwe, ngoba namuhla asisabheki iVangeli. Kodwa kukhona konke okudingekayo, futhi kufanele sihlale neVangeli, neVangeli iBandla elisibonisa lona, ​​amaSakramente asibonisa lona. "Kungani?", Bangibuza, "iminyaka engamashumi amabili iNkosazana Yethu ikhuluma, kuyilapho eVangelini icishe ithule njalo?". Ngoba eVangelini sinakho konke esikudingayo, kodwa ngeke kusisize uma singaqali ukuphila ngalo. Futhi iNkosazana Yethu ikhuluma kakhulu ngoba ifuna siphile iVangeli futhi inethemba, ngokwenza kanjalo, ukufinyelela wonke umuntu futhi sikholise abantu abaningi ngangokunokwenzeka.