IMedjugorje: odokotela babona ukuthi kwakungewona umkhonyovu
EMEDJUGORJE SIQONDA NGESAYENSI UKUTHI AKUKHO UMKHOSA
“Imiphumela yophenyo lwezokwelapha nesayensi ebesiyenza kwababonisi baseMedjugorje isiholele ekutheni singafaki izifo noma ukulingisa ngakho-ke kungenzeka kube nomkhonyovu ongaba khona. Uma kungukubonakaliswa kobuNkulunkulu akusikho kithi, kodwa singakufakazela ukuthi bekungekhona ukusangana noma ukulingisa ”. UProfessor Luigi Frigerio wafika okokuqala eMedjugorje ngo-1982 ezophelezela isiguli esasesiluleke isimila esikhumulweni. Izibuko zazivele ziqale unyaka owedlule, kepha udumo lwaleyondawo ekude lapho iGospa kwathiwa izovela khona kwase kuqale ukusabalala e-Italy. UFrigerio wayebazi ubuqiniso bendawo yaseBosnia futhi wathunywa ngumbhishobhi waseSplit ukuba aqale uphenyo lwezokwelapha nezesayensi ezinganeni eziyisithupha ezazithi ziyabona futhi zikhulume neMadonna.
Namuhla, eminyakeni engama-36 kamuva, phakathi kwesigcawu esiseMedjugorje yebo noma cha, eshukumisa impikiswano yamaKatolika ngemuva kwamazwi kaPapa Francis, ubuyela ukuzokhuluma ngalowo msebenzi wophenyo owalethwa ngokushesha eBandleni leMfundiso Yokholo ngqo ezandleni zikaKhadinali Ratzinger. Ukuqinisekisa ukuthi kwakungekho mkhonyovu nokuthi lokhu kuhlaziywa kwenziwa ngo-1985, ngakho-ke kakade kulokho, ngokusho kwekhomishini yaseRini, okwakuzoba yisigaba sesibili sezibuko, "okunenkinga" kakhulu. Kepha ngaphezu kwakho konke ukukhumbula ukuthi lezo zifundo azikaze ziphikiswe yinoma ngubani. Ngemuva kweminyaka ethule, uFrigerio uthathe isinqumo sokutshela iNuova BQ ukuthi uphenyo lwababonisi luhambe kanjani.
UProfessor, lalakhiwa ngubani iqembu?
Sasiyiqembu lodokotela base-Italy: Mina, ngaleso sikhathi owayeseMangiagalli, uGiacomo Mattalia, udokotela ohlinzayo eMolinette eTurin, prof. UGiuseppe Bigi, udokotela womzimba eNyuvesi yaseMilan, uDkt Giorgio Gagliardi, udokotela wenhliziyo nodokotela wezengqondo, uPaolo Maestri, udokotela wezifo zamazinyo, uMarco Margnelli, udokotela wezifo zengqondo, uRaffaele Pugliese, udokotela ohlinzayo, uProf Maurizio Santini, udokotela wezifo zemizwa eNyuvesi yaseMilan.
Yimaphi amathuluzi owasebenzisile?
Besivele sinemishini eyindida ngaleso sikhathi: i-algometer yokutadisha ukuzwela kobuhlungu, ama-extesiometers amabili we-corneal ukuthinta i-cornea, i-polygraph yesiteshi esiningi, okubizwa ngokuthi umtshina wamanga wokufunda ngasikhathi sinye izinga lokuphefumula, umfutho wegazi, ukushaya kwenhliziyo kanye ukumelana dermocutaneous futhi peripheral semithambo ukugeleza. Siphinde saba nedivayisi ebizwa nge-Ampleid mk 10 yokuhlaziywa kwezindlela zokuzwa nezamehlo, imitha ye-impleance eyi-709 evela ku-Amplfon yokuzwa ukucabanga kwe-acoustic nerve, i-cochlea nemisipha yobuso. Ekugcineni amanye amakhamera wokutadisha umfundi.
Ngubani okuthume ukuthi wenze uphenyo?
Leli thimba lasungulwa ngonyaka we-1984 ngemuva kokuhlangana nombhishobhi waseSplit Frane Franic, okungaphansi kwedolobha lakhe iMedjugorje. Wasicela isifundo, wayenesifiso sangempela sokuqonda ukuthi lezo zinto zivela kuNkulunkulu. Kodwa ok kwavela kuJohn Paul II. Ekubuyeni kwami e-Italy, uDkt. Farina kanye nobaba uCristian Charlot bakhuluma noMsgr Paolo Knilica. UPapa St. John Paul II umeme uMsgr Knilica ukuba abhale incwadi yokuqokwa evumela odokotela base-Italy ukuthi baye esifundeni saseMedjugorie kulezi zinhlolovo. Konke bese kunikezwa uRatzinger. Khumbula ukuthi kwakusekhona umbuso kaTito, ngakho-ke kwakubalulekile ukuthi babe neqembu lodokotela bangaphandle.
Ingabe elakho bekuyiqembu lokuqala lezokwelapha ukungenelela?
Ngasikhathi sinye nesifundo sethu, bekuqhubeka uphenyo lweqembu laseFrance eliqondiswe yiNyuvesi yaseMontpellier kaProfesa Joyeux. Lelo qembu lazalwa ngentshisekelo kadokotela wezimali odumile uLaurentin. Bazinikele ikakhulukazi ezifundweni ze-electroencephalographic. Lezi zinhlobo ezingafakwanga zokulala noma isithuthwane, zikhombisile ukuthi i-fundus yeso kanye nohlelo lwe-ocular bekujwayelekile ngokwenyama.
Uphenyo lwenzeka nini?
Senze uhambo olubili: oluphakathi kuka-8 no-10 Mashi 1985, olwesibili luphakathi kuka-7 no-10 Septhemba 1985. Esigabeni sokuqala sifunde ukukhanya okuzenzekelayo nokucwayiza kwezinkophe kanye nokugcoba okwalandela kweso ijwabu leso. Ekuthinteni i-cornea saqonda ukuthi uhlobo oluthile lokulingisa lungakhishwa ngokwesayensi, mhlawumbe ngokusebenzisa izidakamizwa, ngoba ngokushesha ngemuva kwento, ukuzwela kweso kubuyele kumanani ajwayelekile kakhulu. Kusithinte ukuthi ukucwayiza okungokwemvelo kweso kuphelile ngaphambi kokulungisa isithombe. Ababoni abayisithupha babe nokungafani kwesihlanu komzuzwana, ezindaweni ezahlukahlukene, ekulungiseni iphuzu elifanayo lesithombe ngokungafani okungabonakali phakathi kwabo, ngakho-ke ngasikhathi sinye.
Futhi esivivinyweni sesibili sikaSepthemba?
Sigxile ekutadisheni izinhlungu. Sisebenzisa i-algometer, okuyipuleti lesiliva eliyisikwele sentimitha elishisa kuze kufike kuma-degree angama-50, sithinte isikhumba ngaphambi, ngesikhathi nangemva kwento. Yebo: ngaphambi nangemva kokuba ababoni bekhiphe iminwe yabo ngomzuzwana, ngokusho kwamapharamitha, ngenkathi phakathi nalesi simo, babengazweli ebuhlungwini. Sizamile ukunweba ukuvezwa ngaphezu kwemizuzwana emi-5, kepha sama ukuze sibavimbe ekushisweni. Ukuphendula bekuhlala kufana: ukungazweli, akukho nqubo yokuphunyuka epuletini ye-incandescent.
Ingabe ukuba ndikindiki kuzibonakalisile nakwezinye izingxenye zomzimba ezicindezelekile?
Ukuthinta i-cornea ngesisindo esincane sama-milligram amane esigabeni esijwayelekile, ababoni bavala amehlo abo ngokushesha; phakathi nalesi senzakalo, amehlo ahlala evulekile naphezu kwengcindezi nangaphezu kwama-milligram ayi-4 wesisindo.
Ngabe lokhu kusho ukuthi umzimba umelane nezingcindezi ezingenayo?
Yebo. Umsebenzi we-electrodermal walaba bafana ngesikhathi semiboniso ubonakaliswe ngokuguqulwa okuqhubekayo nokwanda kokumelana kwesikhumba, i-hypertonia yohlelo lwe-orthosympathetic yancishiswa ngokushesha ngemuva komcimbi, kusukela emikhondweni ye-electrodermal kwaba khona ukungabikho ngokuphelele isikhumba ukumelana kagesi. Kepha lokhu kwenzeka futhi lapho sisebenzisa ipeni lokuqhubeka nokuqina kobuhlungu ngokuzumayo noma lapho sisebenzisa i-flash enezithombe: i-electroderma ishintshile, kepha bebengenandaba ngokuphelele nesimo. Lapho nje ukuvezwa kwento kuphelile, amanani kanye nokuphendula ezivivinyweni bekujwayelekile ngokuphelele.
Ingabe bekuyisivivinyo kuwe?
Kwakungubufakazi bokuthi uma kunencazelo ye-ecstasy, lokho kuzohlukaniswa nalokho okushiwo yisimo, babengekho nhlobo ngokomzimba. Kuyinto efanayo enamandla ephawulwe udokotela waseLourdes kuBernadette ngenkathi evivinya ikhandlela. Sisebenzise lesi simiso ngemishini esobala eyinkimbinkimbi ngokwedlulele.
Lapho iziphetho sezenziwe, wenzeni?
Mina ngokwami nginikele lolu cwaningo kuKhadinali Ratzinger, obelunemininingwane eminingi futhi luhambisana nezithombe. Ngaya eBandleni le-Doctrine of the Faith lapho unobhala kaRatzinger, uKhadinali uBertone wakusasa, ayengilindile khona. URatzinger wayethola ithimba labaseSpain, kodwa wabenza balinda isikhathi esingaphezu kwehora ukuze bakhulume nami. Ngamchazela kafushane ngomsebenzi wethu ngabe sengimbuza ukuthi ucabangani ngawo.
Futhi yena?
Ungitshele: "Kungenzeka ukuthi ubuNkulunkulu buziveze kumuntu ngokuhlangenwe nakho kwabafana". Wathatha ikhefu lami futhi embundwini ngambuza: "Kodwa ucabanga kanjani upapa?". Uphendule wathi: "UPhapha ucabanga njengami". Emuva eMilan ngashicilela incwadi enaleyo mininingwane.
Kuthiwani ngesitudiyo sakho manje?
Angazi, kepha ngiyazi ukuthi lisebenzele iBandla ngakho-ke iHoly See ukuze ingavimbeli uhambo olungcwele. UPapa wayefuna ukukuqonda lokhu kusengaphambili, ukuze ekugcineni anqume ukuthi angawavimba yini amakholwa. Ngemuva kokufunda isifundo sethu, banquma ukungazithiyi futhi bazivumele.
Ngabe ucabanga ukuthi isitudiyo sakho satholwa yikhomishini yaseRini?
Ngicabanga kanjalo, kepha anginalo ulwazi ngalokho.
Kungani ucabanga kanjalo?
Ngoba siqinisekisile ukuthi abafana bathembekile futhi ikakhulukazi eminyakeni edlule azikho izifundo ezalandela eziphikisayo esikutholile.
Ngabe usho ukuthi akekho usosayensi ongenele ukuphikisana nocwaningo lwakho?
Impela. Umbuzo obalulekile bekungukuthi kule mibono nezinsolo abasolwa ngazo ababoni bakholelwa yini kulokho abakubonile noma bakubona abakukholelwayo. Esimweni sokuqala i-physiology yalesi senzakalo iyahlonishwa, esimweni sesibili besizithola sibhekene nokuqagela okucabangelayo kwesimo sokugula. Ezingeni lezokwelapha nezesayensi sikwazile ukuthola ukuthi laba bafana bakholelwa kulokho abakubonayo futhi lokhu bekuyingxenye yoHlelo Olungcwele ukuze bangavaleki lapha futhi bangavimbeli ukuvakashelwa kwabathembekile. Namuhla sibuyele ukuzokhuluma ngoMedjugorje ngemuva kwamazwi kaPapa.Uma bekuyiqiniso ukuthi lezi akuzona izangoma bekungasho ukuthi ngabe sibhekene nenkohliso enkulu iminyaka engama-36. Ngingawulahla umkhonyovu: besingavunyelwe ukuthatha isivivinyo se-naloxone ukubona ukuthi ngabe badle izidakamizwa yini, kepha futhi bekukhona nobufakazi obuyisisekelo bokuthi kungani ngemuva komzuzwana bebesezinhlungwini njengabanye.
Ukhulume ngoLourdes. Ngabe unamathele ezindleleni zokuphenywa kwezokwelapha zehhovisi?
Impela. Izinqubo ezamukelwe bezifana. Eqinisweni, sasiyihhovisi lezokwelapha elikude. Ithimba lethu lifake uDkt Mario Botta, owayeyingxenye yekhomishini yezokwelapha nezesayensi kaLourdes.
Ucabangani ngezibuko?
Engingakusho ukuthi nakanjani akukho ukukhwabanisa, akukho ukulingisa. Nokuthi lesi simo asikayitholi incazelo evumelekile yezokwelapha nesayensi. Umsebenzi wezokwelapha ukukhipha i-pathology, ekhishwe lapha. Ukunikezwa kwalezi zenzakalo kumcimbi ongaphezu kwemvelo akuwona umsebenzi wami, sinomsebenzi kuphela wokukhipha ukulingisa noma ukugula.