Ubaba u-Amorth ukhuluma ngokusebenzelana nemimoya, umlingo kanye "neMedjugorje"

Imibuzo ibhekiswe kuBaba Amorth ngaphambi komhla ziyi-16 Septhemba 2016, usuku lokukhuphukela kwakhe ezulwini.

Baba Amorth, yini ukusebenzelana nemimoya?
Ukusebenzelana nemimoya ukubiza abafileyo ukuze ubabuze futhi uthole izimpendulo.

● Kuyiqiniso yini ukuthi into yokusebenzelana nemimoya isakazeka ngezinga elishaqisa nakakhulu?
Yebo, ngeshwa kuwumkhuba ochumayo. Ngifaka ngokushesha ukuthi isifiso sokuxhumana nabafileyo besilokhu sizalwa ngokwemvelo yomuntu. Eqinisweni, siyazi ukuthi imikhuba nemikhuba yezenkolo yenzeka phakathi kwabo bonke abantu basendulo. Esikhathini esedlule, noma kunjalo, ukukhishwa kwemiphefumulo yabafileyo kwakwenziwa ikakhulu ngabantu abadala.
Namuhla, nokho, kuya ngokuya kube yilungelo lentsha.

● Ngokubona kwakho, kungani isifiso sokukhuluma nabafileyo sisinda, sikhule ngokuhamba kwesikhathi?
Izizathu zingahluka. Ukuzimisela ukwazi amaqiniso kokwedlule noma esikhathini esizayo, ukufuna ukuvikelwa, kwesinye isikhathi kumane nje kube ilukuluku mayelana nokuhlangenwe nakho kwamanye amazwe.
Ngiyakholelwa ukuthi imbangela enkulu, nokho, njalo ukwenqaba ukwamukela ukulahlekelwa othandekayo, ikakhulukazi uma kwenzeka ushona ngengozi noma ngaphambi kwesikhathi. Isifiso, ngakho-ke, sokuqhubeka nokuxhumana, ukubuyisela kabusha isibopho esivame ukuphazanyiswa ngesihluku.
Ngithanda ukwengeza ukuthi ukusebenzelana nemimoya kuye kwasakazeka kakhulu ikakhulukazi ngezikhathi zenkinga yokholo. Umlando, eqinisweni, usikhombisa ukuthi uma ukukholwa kuncipha inkolelo-ze ikhula ngokulingana, ngazo zonke izinhlobo zayo. Namuhla, ngokusobala, kunenhlekelele esabalele yokholo. Imininingwane esesandleni sama-Italiyane ayizigidi eziyi-13 iya kwabenzi bemilingo.
Abantu abanokholo oluntengantengayo, noma olungalahlekanga ngokuphelele, bahlanganyela emilingweni: leyo, imihlangano, ubuSathane, imilingo.

● Ingabe zikhona izingozi ababhekana nazo labo abahlanganyela kule masiko ukuze bavuse imiphefumulo yabafileyo?
Futhi uma kunjalo, ziyini?
Izingozi zalabo ababamba iqhaza kulezi zinkambiso, ngamunye noma ohlanganyelwe, zikhona. Enye ingemvelo yomuntu. Ukuba nenkohliso yokukhuluma nomuntu esimthandayo oseshonile kungashaqisa kakhulu, ikakhulukazi izihloko ezithinta imizwa nezithobile kakhulu. Lezi zinhlobo zokuhlukumezeka kwezengqondo zidinga ukunakekelwa kwengqondo.
Izikhathi eziningi, kepha, kungenzeka ukuthi, ngokuvula iminyango ezinhlelweni zomoya, umsila kaDeveli nawo ungangena. Ingozi enkulu kunazo zonke, eqinisweni, engahle ibhekane nayo, ukungenelela kwamademoni okubangela ukuphazamiseka okubi, kuze kufinyelele kumbandela ofanayo wobudlova wababambe iqhaza emkhosini wokomoya. Ukusakazeka kokusebenzelana nemimoya, ngokubona kwami, futhi kuncike ekuchwenni okwandile ngalezi zingozi ezinkulu ezingabhekana nazo.

● Usikisela kanjani ukuthi uziphathe kanjani kulabo okungenzeka banezibuko zemiphefumulo engasekho, ngaphandle kokwenza noma yini ukubacasula?
Imibono yabafileyo ingenzeka kuphela ngemvume kaNkulunkulu, hhayi ngamadivayisi abantu.
Ukucasulwa ngabantu akuzuzi lutho ngaphandle kokubi. Ngakho-ke uNkulunkulu angavumela umuntu oshonile ukuba abonakale kumuntu ophilayo. Lawa ngamacala angavamile, kodwa-ke enzekile futhi abhaliwe kusukela ezikhathini zasendulo. Izibonelo eziningi zalezi
Ukuvezwa kwangemva kokufa kuqukethwe eBhayibhelini nasezimpilweni zabanye abangcwele.
Kulezi zimo umuntu angazilawula ngokuya ngokuqukethwe yilezi zibuko, kulokho okushiwo noma okwenziwe ngabokugcina. Isibonelo, uma umphefumulo womuntu ofile ubonakala udabuke kakhulu, ngakho-ke, noma engawuvuli umlomo wakhe, lowo muntu uyaqonda ukuthi lokhu kudinga amandla. Ngezinye izikhathi abantu abafile bavele futhi bacela ngokucacile ama-suffrages, umgubho wabantu abaningi ubasebenza kubo. Kwesinye isikhathi, kuye kwenzeka futhi ukuthi imiphefumulo yabafileyo ibonakale kwabaphilayo ukuxoxa ngemininingwane ewusizo.
Isibonelo ukweqa emaphutheni abesezokwenziwa. Kwenye yezincwadi zami (Exorcists and psychiatrists, edhoniane editions, Bologna 1996) ngibike, phakathi kwabanye, umcabango womuntu okhipha idimoni ePiedmontese: "Emiphefumulweni, okusinda ubude besikhathi sesihlanzo (uma bangakhuluma ngesikhathi!); ISonto alibeki mingcele kuma-suffrages.
UPaul Paul (1 KwabaseKorinte 15,29:XNUMX) uthi: "Uma bekungenjalo, labo ababhapathizelwa abafileyo bangenzani ngaleso sikhathi?". Ngaleso sikhathi babekholelwa ukuthi ukungenelela kwabafileyo kuyasebenza kakhulu, kwaze kwaba sezingeni lokuthi bakwazi ukuthola Ubhapathizo lwabo ”.

● Kungabonakala kanjani isimo sombuso, kungaba owomphefumulo esihlanzweni noma oMubi ozifihlile?
Umbuzo othakazelisayo. IDimoni, empeleni, elingenamzimba, lingathatha isimo esikhohlisayo ngokuya ngomphumela afuna ukuwucasula. Kungathatha futhi isimo sothandekayo manje oshonile, kanye nongcwele noma ingelosi.
Ungayikhipha kanjani? Singawuphendula lo mbuzo ngokuzethemba okuthile.
USanta Teresa wase-Avila, udokotela weSonto, wayenguthisha kulokhu. Umthetho wakhe wegolide kulokhu bekungukuthi: uma kwenzeka ukubonakala kobubi obufihliwe, umuntu owamukela ukubonakala uzizwa ejabule futhi ejabule ekuqaleni, bese-ke esala enomunyu omkhulu, enosizi olukhulu.
Okuphambene kwenzeka lapho kuvela izibuko zangempela. Ngokushesha kuba khona umuzwa wokwesaba, umbono wokwesaba. Ngemuva kwalokho, ekugcineni kwesithunzi, umuzwa omkhulu wokuthula nokuzola. Lesi yisimo esiyisisekelo sokuhlukanisa izibonisi zeqiniso nezamanga.

● Masishintshe isihloko. Imvamisa abantu abaningi, lapho bebuya emazweni athathwa njengemilingo njengeGibhithe, babuya nezikhumbuzo ezithile: isib. amabhungane amancane. Ngabe uncoma ukuwalahla noma ukuwagcina?
Uma umuntu eyigcina njengekhubalo lenhlanhla nomoya wokukhonza izithombe ngakho-ke kungumonakalo ngakho kulahle. Uma kuyinto elula elula ebambe lokho, inkumbulo enambithekayo ngaphandle kokucabanga ukuthi inethonya lapho-ke ingabamba, kulungile. Futhi nomuntu onikeze lesi sipho, uma engenazo izinhloso ezimbi, ubevele nje efuna ukunikeza isipho asithandayo, akukho lutho olungahambi kahle ngalokho. Ngakho-ke angakwenza ngokuphepha, ukuthi akukho moya wokukhonza izithombe wentelezi yenhlanhla, yesivikelo sami: akukusindisi kunoma imaphi amakhiwane omile.

● Kuyiqiniso yini ukuthi amademoni athonya ukufundwa kwezinkanyezi?
Ukuthi kunezenzo ezimbi ekufundweni kwezinkanyezi ngangokunokwenzeka kuzo zonke izinhlobo zemilingo. Kunoma ikuphi kufanele kulahlwe.

● Isibonelo, indodana izivikela kanjani kuyise owenza imilingo nezinto ezinjalo?
Futhi uma intombazane ithandana nalo mfana, ingazivikela kanjani nayo?
Lona ngumbuzo obuzwa kimi ezincwadini eziningi nakubantu abaningi abangishayela kuRadio Maria: "Ingazivikela kanjani ingane kubaba weSatanist, kumama owenza umlingo?"
Okokuqala, makube sobala ukuthi uNkulunkulu unamandla amakhulu kunoSathane. Okokuqala kubalulekile ukucacisa lo mqondo wokuthi noma ngubani oneNkosi unamandla futhi noma ngubani oneNkosi akanakulimala. Ngakho-ke ukubaluleka komthandazo, amasakramente kanye nokuqiniseka ukuthi uma siphila sihlangene noNkulunkulu, njengoba uSt. James esho: "(...) ububi abungeke busithinte, udeveli akakwazi ukusithinta". Sihlomile.
Ubenza kanjani laba bantu baguquke? Kudinga umthandazo omkhulu! Kunzima kakhulu kulabo abazinikele ekwenzeni umlingo nobusathane ukuba baphenduke ngoba bathola inzuzo ebonakalayo (bheka ukuthi bangaki abantu abaya kubathakathi nakubabhuli futhi abahambi mahhala, abathakathi bayakhokhelwa) bese kuba nzima kulaba bantu abathi Inzuzo iyaguqulwa.
USaint Paul usitshela ukuthi uthando lwemali luyimpande yabo bonke ububi. Mingaki imindeni ebumbene, ebithandana, iba yizimpisi ezilwa nezimpisi ngenxa yezizathu zefa, idlana ngenzuzo enkulu kubameli. EVangelini sifunda ukuthi insizwa iya kuJesu ithi kuye “Yala umfowethu angihlanganyele ifa nami”, mhlawumbe uyise wayefile kanti lo mfowethu wayefuna ukugcina konke kuye. UJesu akayiphenduli ngqo, uthi akayithandi imali, ukuthi akahlangene nemali, ukuthi ufuna izinto zaseZulwini. Kungcono ukulahlekelwa kunokulahlekelwa ukuthula, kunokudala inzondo yomndeni.
Siyakhumbula: konke esinakho lapha ngezansi sizokushiya. UJobe usitshela ngokucacile "Njengoba ngaphuma nginqunu esizalweni sikamama, ngakho-ke ngizongena esibelethweni somhlaba", kubaluleke kangakanani ukuhlala ubumbene noNkulunkulu futhi sigcine isisa senhliziyo.

● Baba Amorth, uyakholelwa kuma-psychics?
Ngiyakholelwa kuma-charismatics, okungukuthi, kubantu abathole izipho ezithile kuMoya oNgcwele.
Qaphela kepha; unombolo 12 weLumen Gentium uthi kukwababhishobhi ukuqinisekisa ukuthi umuntu unekhono ngempela yini. Kunezinhlobo eziningi zokunethezeka, kwanele ukufunda incwadi yokuqala kaSt Paul eya kwabaseKorinte ebala eziningi zazo.
Kodwa-ke, wonke umuntu kufanele azi izidingo ezihlukanisa ama-charismatics. Kufanele babe ngabantu bomkhuleko omkhulu, kepha lokho akwenele. Empeleni kukhona abenzi bemilingo abaya esontweni, bathathe isidlo, futhi bangamaSatanist.
Lapho-ke kumele babe ngabantu abathobekile. Uma othile ethi unama-charism, kuqinisekile ukuthi akanakho, ngoba ukuthobeka kuholela ekusithekeni. Benza inqubo yokugcotshwa kukaphenisi waseCapuchin owayehlala ku-500, uFather Matteo D'Agnone.
Naphezu kokuba nezinhlelo eziningi kangaka, wangenela ngaphansi kokuyalelwa umphathi wakhe, kungenjalo akakaze. Akekho owaziyo ngama-charism ayenawo. Wenza ngokulalela kuphela. Welapha futhi wakhulula abaningi ababephethwe yibo, kwakumangalisa ngempela. Akazange aye ngokuzithandela, ngoba wazama ukufihla lezi zipho zakhe ngokuzithoba okukhulu. Lapha, abathandekayo beqiniso bathanda ukufihla. Qaphela labo ababukisa ngezipho futhi abanemigqa emide abalindile.

● Uyini umehluko phakathi komlingo nomuntu okhipha idimoni?
Lapha ngizwana nehlaya. Umlingo (yena uqobo) usebenza ngamandla kaSathane. Umkhiphi wedlozi wenza ngamandla egama likaKrestu: “ngegama lami uzokhipha amadimoni“.

● Kungenzeka yini ukuthi kwezinye izimo kube “nezimpi” zokomoya phakathi kwesangoma esimnyama nomuntu okhipha idlozi, noma ukuthi kumuntu ophethwe yilo mshanguzi, imishanguzo iyaphikiswa?
Yebo, kwenzeka kimi kanye. Ekuqaleni angizange ngiqonde ukuthi kungani le ndoda empofu ibuya ngokwengeziwe ithweswe amandla amabi ngemuva kokukhipha imimoya emibi ngakunye, khona-ke konke kwacaca. Ekugcineni, masikhumbule ukuthi uNkulunkulu unamandla kunoSathane futhi uhlala enqoba.

● Kuyisono yini ukuya kubabhuli?
Kuyisono senkolelo-ze, kepha kungaba kubi kakhulu noma kancane. Isibonelo, ngino-anti owenza amakhadi futhi anginikeze njengomdlalo ukungivumela ukuthi ngifunde amakhadi, kulokhu asidluli ngaphezu kwe-veniality, kepha sizibeka engcupheni yokuhlangana.

● Ingabe amaketanga kaSanta Anthony ayingozi?
ERoma kuyisiko ukusabalalisa izitshalo ukuze zikhule bese unikeza amanye amaqabunga kubangane nakubantu obajwayele. Lapha kukhona isiqalekiso, lapha kukhona inkolelo-ze. Izinhlamvu zikaSt. Anthony kumele zishiswe futhi isandla sikaSathane sikhona ngoba kukhona inkolelo-ze.
Izikhathi eziningi uSathane wenza konke ukufihla. Kungenzeka ukuthi lapho kukhishwa amadimoni okokuqala ukusabela kuncane kakhulu, kungenzeka ukuthi lapho uqhubeka ngokwengeziwe ukusabela kuba kukhulu. Lapho umuntu eqonda ukuthi imiphumela yokukhipha imimoya idala ukuhlupheka, kumele abonge lowo okhipha idlozi ngoba umthandazo uba nomphumela wawo. Uma ukukhipha imimoya kuqhubeka ngokuhamba kwesikhathi, ungacabangi njengabaningi ngeshwa ukuthi kuyiphutha lokwehluleka komkhiphi, okhululayo yiNkosi, bonga iNkosi ngokuhlangana nomuntu okhipha idlozi othathe inhloso yakho futhi ozokuqondisa ukuphilisa.
Abakhiphi abakholwayo abathandwa kakhulu ngenkathi benza ukukhipha imimoya noma benama-conventers athandaza ngenkathi enza umthandazo wokukhipha amadimoni noma amaqembu omkhuleko athandazayo, noma ngabe engekho kusayithi akusho lutho. Kodwa-ke, ukuba nomuntu okhona ngesikhathi sokukhipha amadimoni kubaluleke kakhulu.

● Uma kunezinto eziyingozi ngaphakathi endlini, yini okufanele yenziwe?
Ngincoma ukuthi ngiyinikeze into isibusiso ngamanzi angcwele bese ngiyayichitha, uma kuyinto engashiswa ukuyishisa, uma kuyinto ethile eyinsimbi ukuyiphonsa lapho kugeleza khona amanzi (imifula, izilwandle njll.).

● Kwenzeka kanjani ukuthi ama-braids, izinto ezimbi njll. Zigcine kumcamelo?
Kufanele sibheke izindlela. Ukuthola lezi zinto kumakhushini (izingcezu zensimbi, izigaxa zemiqhele, izilwane eziphilayo) uma kuxhunyaniswe nezimo ezikhumbula ubukhona obubi ziwubufakazi besipelingi esiqhubekayo. Ziyizithelo zobubi, izithelo zama-invoice, ngakho-ke kungashiwo ngokuqiniseka ukuthi zenziwa ngamademoni.
Ngibonile izibopho zoboya obuyisimo sezilwane, ziboshwe ziqine kangangokuthi akekho ibutho lomuntu ebelingenza izinto ezinjalo.
Zingaba yizimpawu zobubi, ze-invoyisi. Ngemuva kwalokho siyazibusisa, sishise, sithandaze futhi sizivikele sisebenzisa izindlela zokuzikhulula ebubini.

● Zingasuswa kanjani izinto zegolide?
Ngokubona kwami, isibusiso asenele uma into iklinyazwe ngokweqiniso njengoba kwenzeka ezintweni ezinikelwe ngumlingo, noma ngamasalamusi akhokhelwa ngentengo ephezulu ngenxa yezinto eziyigugu, njll. Kulezi zimo isibusiso asanele, ngakho-ke noma into ishiswa noma iphonswe lapho kugeleza khona amanzi (ulwandle, umfula, indle).
Uma kwenzeka izinto zegolide, lokhu kungancibilika. Uma sekuhlanganisiwe balahlekelwa yikho konke ukunganaki.

● Siphetha ngokukhuluma ngesihloko esiyimpikiswano sabathile abathembekile: IMedjugorje into eyiyo ngempela yaseMariya noma isenzeko sobuqili esinobusathane?
Ngizobe ngifingqiwe: eMedjugorje iNcasakazi iyavela ngempela futhi uSathane uyayesaba leyondawo ebusisiwe.
Sengike ngaba khona okungenani izikhathi ezingamashumi amathathu futhi ngithinte mathupha ingokomoya elikhulu ophefumula kulo futhi lisikiwe ngezipho eziningi ezivela eZulwini.
Ngiyakwazi ukugomela, ngaphandle kokwesaba ukuphikwa, ukuthi uPapa Wojtyla (John Paul II) akakholelwanga nje kuphela ukuthi uMama Wethu uvele eMedjugorje kodwa nokuthi wayefuna nokuya khona lapho ehambele uhambo lwezenkolo phakathi nohambo lwakhe lobuphostoli ezweni elaliyiYugoslavia. Ekugcineni akazange aye lapho ukuze 'angabusi' futhi acasule uMbhishobhi waseMostar ngendlela esobala, owayehlale ephakathi kwezinhlangano ezisola.
Izinkulungwane nezinkulungwane zabantu ziza eMedjugorje zivela emhlabeni wonke futhi zivume, zenze ukuthula neNkosi, zibuyele empilweni yokukhuleka, ziguqule ebuKatolikeni, zikhululiwe ezintweni zobudemoni.
Futhi-ke, uma kuyiqiniso njengoba kubhaliwe eVangelini ukuthi isihlahla saziwa ngezithelo zaso, kungashiwo kanjani ukuthi iMedjugorje ngumsebenzi woMubi?

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