Woyang'ana m'masomphenya Ivan waku Medjugorje akukuuzani zomwe zimachitika mchisangalalo

 

Ivan: "Dona Wathu ananditengera Kumwamba kawiri"

Wawa Ivan, ungatifotokozere momwe chithunzi cha Dona Wathu chilili?

«Vicka, Marija ndi ine timakumana ndi a Madonna tsiku lililonse. Timadzikonzekeretsa pobwereza rosari pa 18 ndi anthu onse mu chapel. Pomwe mphindi ikuyandikira, 7 min 20, ndikumva kupezeka kwa Madonna mu mtima mwanga. Chizindikiro choyamba cha kufika kwake ndi kuunika, kuwala kwa Paradiso, chidutswa cha Paradiso chimadza kwa ife. Madonna atangofika sindimawonanso chilichonse: ndangomuwona! Pamenepo sindimva konse danga kapena nthawi. M'mawonekedwe onse, Dona Wathu amapemphera ndi manja otambasuka kwa ansembe omwe alipo; tidalitseni tonse ndi mdala wake. Posachedwa, Mayi Wathu amapemphera kuti akhale achiyero m'mabanja. Pempherani chilankhulo chake cha Chiaramu. Kenako, kulankhulana kwapadera kumachitika pakati pa tonse awiriwa. Ndikosavuta kufotokozera kuti kukumana ndi Madonna kuli ngati. Pa msonkhano uliwonse amandilankhula ndi malingaliro okongola kwambiri kuti nditha kukhala ndi moyo mpaka tsiku limodzi.

Mukumva bwanji mutatha maphunzirowa?

«Zimakhala zovuta kufotokozera ena chisangalalo. Pali chikhumbo, chiyembekezo, panthawi yachisangalalo, ndipo ndimati mumtima mwanga: "Amayi, khalani kanthawi kochepa, chifukwa ndibwino kukhala nanu!". Kumwetulira kwake, ndikuyang'ana ndi maso ake odzaza ndi chikondi ... Mtendere ndi chisangalalo chomwe ndimamva panthawi ya mapangidwe amatsata tsiku lonse. Ndipo ndikalephera kugona usiku, ndimaganiza: Kodi Mkazi wathu adzandiwuza chiyani tsiku lotsatira? Ndimasanthula chikumbumtima changa ndikuganiza ngati zomwe ndachita zinali zofuna za Ambuye, ndipo ngati Dona wathu adzakhala wosangalala? Chilimbikitso chanu chimandipatsa mtengo wapadera ».

Mayi athu akhala akutumizirani mauthenga kwa zaka zopitilira makumi atatu. Kodi zazikuluzikulu ndi ziti?

«Mtendere, kutembenuka, bwerera kwa Mulungu, pemphero ndi mtima, kulapa ndi kusala kudya, uthenga wachikondi, uthenga wokhululuka, Ukaristia, kuwerenga kolemba kopatulika, uthenga wopatsa chiyembekezo. Dona wathu akufuna kutengera zochita zathu ndikuwapeputsa kuti atithandizenso kuzichita ndikukhala bwino. Akamafotokozera uthenga, amayesetsa kuti amvetsetse. Mauthengawa amapita kudziko lonse lapansi. Dona wathu sananene "okondedwa aku Italiya ... okondedwa aku America ...". Nthawi zonse akamati "Wokondedwa ana anga", chifukwa tonse ndife ofunika kwa iye. Mapeto ake akuti: "Zikomo ana okondedwa, chifukwa mwayankha kuyitana kwanga". Mayi athu akutithokoza ».

Kodi Dona Wathu akunena kuti tiyenera kulandira mauthenga ake "ndi mtima"?

«Pamodzi ndi uthenga wamtendere, womwe ubwerezedwa kwambiri pazaka zonsezi ndi uthenga wa pemphero ndi mtima. Mauthenga ena onse amachokera pa izi. Popanda pemphero palibe mtendere, sitingathe kuzindikira chimo, sitingathe kukhululuka, sitingathe kukonda. Kupemphera ndi mtima, osati mwamwambo, osatsatira mwambo, osayang'ana pa wotchi ... Dona wathu akufuna kuti tidzipereke nthawi kwa Mulungu.Kupemphera ndi moyo wathu wonse kuti tikumane ndi Yesu, kukambirana, kupumula . Chifukwa chake titha kukhala odzala ndi chisangalalo ndi mtendere, opanda mitolo mu mtima ».

Kodi akukupemphani kuti mupemphere motani?

«Mayi athu akufuna kuti tizipemphera kwa maola atatu tsiku lililonse. Anthu akamva pempholi amachita mantha. Koma akamalankhula za mapemphero a maola atatu samangotanthauza kuwerenga mobwerezabwereza, komanso kuwerenga kwa malembo opatulika, Misa, kupembedza kwa Sacrament Yodalitsika komanso kugawana nawo Mawu a Mulungu.Ndimawonjezera ntchito zachifundo ndi thandizo kenako. Ndikukumbukira kuti zaka zapitazo m'modzi wokayikira wokayikira wa ku Italy adafika pafupi maora atatu akupemphera. Tinacheza pang'ono. Chaka chotsatira adabwerako: "Kodi Dona Wathuyu nthawi zonse amafunsa mapemphero atatu?". Ndinayankha kuti: “Uchedwa. Tsopano akufuna tizipemphera maola 24. ""

Ndiye kuti, Mayi Wathu amafunsa kuti asinthe mtima.

"Ndichoncho. Kutsegula mtima ndi pulogalamu ya moyo wathu, monga kutembenuka kwathu. Sindinatembenuke mwadzidzidzi: kutembenuka kwanga ndi njira ya moyo. Mayi athu amatembenukira kwa ine ndi banja langa ndikutithandiza chifukwa akufuna kuti banja langa likhale chitsanzo kwa ena ”.

Dona wathu amalankhula za "ndondomeko" yake yomwe iyenera kukwaniritsidwa: Zaka 31 zapita kale, dongosololi ndi chiyani?

"Amayi athu ali ndi pulojekiti yapadera ya dziko lapansi ndi mpingo. Iye anati: “Ine ndili nanu, ndipo ndikufuna kukwaniritsa cholinga chimenechi pamodzi ndi inu. Sankhani zabwino, menyanani ndi uchimo, ndi zoyipa ”. Sindikudziwa kuti pulani iyi ndi chiyani. Izo sizikutanthauza kuti ine sindiyenera kupemphera kuti izo zichitike. Sikuti nthawi zonse tiyenera kudziwa zonse! Tiyenera kudalira zopempha za Mayi Wathu ".

Palibe m'malo opatulika omwe ndikudziwa kuti ansembe ambiri amabwera ngati ku Medjugorje ...

«Ndi chizindikiro kuti apa pali gwero. Ansembe amene abwera kamodzi adzabweranso. Palibe wansembe amene amabwera ku Medjugorje amachita izi chifukwa ali ndi udindo, koma chifukwa wamva kuitana ».

Munthawi imeneyi, makamaka mu mauthenga opita kwa Mirjana, Dona Wathu amalimbikitsa kupempherera abusa ...

"Ngakhale m'mauthenga omwe amandipatsa ndimamva nkhawa za abusa. Koma nthawi yomweyo, ndi pemphero la ansembe, amafuna kubweretsa chiyembekezo ku mpingo. Iye amakonda “ana ake okondedwa” amene ali ansembe ».

Mayi athu adawaonetsa owonera za pambuyo pa moyo kuti atikumbutse kuti ndife oyenda padziko lapansi. Kodi mungatiuze za izi?

«Mu 1984 komanso mu 1988 Madonna adandiwonetsa kumwamba. Adandiuza tsiku latha. Tsiku lija, ndikukumbukira, Mayi Wathu adabwera, nandigwira dzanja ndipo patapita nthawi nditafika ku Paradiso: danga lopanda malire m'chigwa cha Medjugorje, lopanda malire, pomwe nyimbo zimamveka, pali angelo ndipo anthu amayenda ndikuyimba ; onse amavala zovala zazitali. Anthu amawoneka amsinkhu womwewo ... Ndizovuta kupeza mawuwo. Mayi athu amatitsogolera kupita kumwamba ndipo akabwera tsiku lililonse amatibweretsera chidutswa chakumwamba ”.

Ndizabwino kunena, monga Vicka adanenanso, kuti patatha zaka 31 "tidakali kumayambiriro kwamaapulogalamu"?

«Nthawi zambiri ansembe amandifunsa: chifukwa chiyani chizimba chimakhala nthawi yayitali? Kapena: tili ndi Baibulo, Tchalitchi, masakaramenti ... Mayi Wathu amatifunsa kuti: "Kodi mumakhala zinthu zonsezi? Kodi mumazichita? " Ili ndiye funso lomwe tiyenera kuyankha. Kodi timakhaladi ndi zomwe tikudziwa? Mkazi wathu ali nafe chifukwa cha izi. Tikudziwa kuti tiyenera kupemphera m'mabanja ndipo sitimachita, tikudziwa kuti tiyenera kukhululuka ndipo sitikhululuka, tikudziwa lamulo la chikondi ndipo sitimakonda, tikudziwa kuti tiyenera kuchita ntchito zachifundo ndipo sitichita. Dona wathu ndi wautali kwambiri pakati pathu chifukwa ndifeuma. Sitikhala zomwe tikudziwa. "

Kodi ndizachilungamo kunena kuti "nthawi ya zinsinsi" idzakhala nthawi yoyeserera kwambiri kwa Mpingo ndi dziko lonse lapansi?

"Eeh. Palibe chomwe tinganene pa zinsinsi. Ndingonena kuti nthawi yofunika ikubwera, makamaka ku Tchalitchi. Tonse tiyenera kupempherera izi ».

Kodi ikakhala nthawi yoyesedwa chifukwa cha chikhulupiriro?

"Ndayamba kale pano."

Gwero: Il Giornale