Wona m'masomphenya Ivan wa Medjugorje akukuwuzani mauthenga akuluakulu a Madonna

ATATE LIVIO: Lero tili ndi chisomo chokhala ndi Ivan wamasomphenya kuti atiuze za zomwe adakumana nazo zaka 31 ndipo tili ndi bwenzi lake Krizan yemwe adzakhala womasulira. Tikhala ndi zokambirana zomwe zingatithandize kumvetsetsa bwino mauthenga a Dona Wathu. Tikukuthokozani, Ivan, ndipo ndikufuna kuti mutifotokozere momwe kuwonekera kwa Mayi Wathu kulili, monga momwe mwakhalira masiku ano.

IVAN: Wolemekezeka Yesu Khristu! Vicka, Marja ndi ine timakumana ndi Our Lady tsiku lililonse. Timakonzekera ndi pemphero la Rosary Woyera pa 18, tsiku lililonse, kupemphera ndi anthu onse omwe akutenga nawo mbali, mu Chapel of the Holy Rosary. Pamene nthawi ikuyandikira, 7 mpaka 20, ndikumva kukhalapo kwa Mayi Wathu mu mtima mwanga. Nthawi yomwe ndimagwada pamaso pa guwa ndi nthawi yomwe Amayi athu a Kumwamba amafika. Chizindikiro choyamba cha kufika kwa Madonna ndi kuwala; pambuyo pa kuwala uku, Madonna akubwera. Sikuli ngati kuunika kumene tikuwona padziko lapansi: uku ndi kuwala kochokera Kumwamba, chidutswa cha Kumwamba chimabwera kwa ife. Mayi Wathu atangofika sindimawonanso kalikonse pamaso panga kapena kundizungulira: Ndimangomuwona! Panthawi imeneyo sindikumva danga kapena nthawi. Komanso dzulo madzulo Dona Wathu adabwera ali wokondwa komanso wokondwa ndikulonjera aliyense ndi moni wake wamayi wanthawi zonse "Wolemekezeka Yesu ana anga okondedwa!". Mwanjira ina iye anapemphera ndi manja ake atatambasula pa odwala omwe analipo mu Chapel. M'mawonekedwe aliwonse, Madonna amapemphera ndi manja ake atatambasula ansembe omwe alipo; nthawi zonse amatidalitsa tonsefe ndi madalitso ake a umayi komanso amadalitsa zinthu zonse zopatulika zomwe tabweretsa kuti zidalitsidwe. M'mawonekedwe aliwonse, ndimalimbikitsa anthu onse, zosowa ndi zolinga za aliyense. Posachedwapa, ngakhale usiku watha, Mayi Wathu akupempherera chiyero m'mabanja. Nthawi zonse muzipemphera m’chinenero chake cha Chiaramu. Kenako, kukambirana mwamseri nthawi zonse kumakhala pakati pa ife aŵiri. Kenako Dona Wathu akupitiriza kupempherera onse omwe ali mu Chapel; ndiye, m’pemphero amachoka m’chizindikiro cha Kuunika ndi Mtanda ndi moni “Pitani mumtendere, ana anga okondedwa!”. Ndizovuta kufotokoza m'mawu momwe kukumana ndi Mayi Wathu kulili. Kukumana ndi Mayi Wathu ndikodi kukambirana pakati pa awirife. Nditha kuvomereza kuti pamisonkhano yatsiku ndi tsiku Mayi Wathu amalankhula nane, lingaliro lokongola kwambiri kotero kuti nditha kukhala ndi moyo pamawu awa m'maola 24 otsatira. Izi ndi zomwe ndinganene.

ATATE LIVIO: Ivan, ukumva bwanji atabwera?

IVAN: Ndizovuta kwambiri kuuza ena za izi ndi mawu… Ndizovuta kupereka chisangalalochi kwa ena. Ndikunena kwa omwe akutenga nawo mbali m'mawonekedwewo: "Ndizovuta kuchira ndikubwerera kudziko lino pambuyo pokumana ndi Mayi Wathu!". Nthawi zonse pali chikhumbo, chiyembekezo, panthawi ya kuwonekera, ndipo ndimati mu mtima mwanga: "Amayi, khalani pang'ono, chifukwa ndi wokongola kwambiri kukhala ndi inu!". Kumwetulira kwake… yang'anani m'maso mwake omwe ali odzaza ndi Chikondi… Nditha kuwona misozi yachisangalalo yomwe ikuyenderera pankhope pa Mayi Wathu pamene akuyang'ana tonsefe m'pemphero… Akufuna kubwera pafupi ndi ife tonse ndi kutikumbatira!. Chikondi cha Amayi ndi chachikulu komanso chapadera kwambiri! Kutumiza chikondi ichi ndi mawu ndikovuta! Mtendere uwu, chisangalalo chomwe ndimakhala nacho pakuwonekera kwa Mayi Wathu chimandiperekeza tsiku lonse. Ndipo ndikalephera kugona usiku, ndimaganiza: Kodi Dona Wathu adzandiuza chiyani tsiku lotsatira? Ndimasanthula chikumbumtima changa ndikuganizira zomwe ndidachita masana, ngati kusuntha kwanga kunali m'chifuniro cha Ambuye, ndipo kodi Mkazi Wathu usikuuno ndikadzamuwona adzakhala wokondwa? Ndipo zina zimandichitikira pokonzekera mzukwa. Mtendere, chisangalalo ndi chikondi chomwe ndimamizidwa m'mawonekedwe aliwonse ndi chinthu chokongola kwambiri! Chilimbikitso chomwe Amayi amandipatsa chimandipatsa mphamvu… Monga momwe ndimachitira ndi amwendamnjira, ndikamatumiza uthenga kwa iwo, nditha kunena kuti ndi mphamvu zanga zaumunthu ndekha sindikanatha kupirira ngati Dona Wathu sanandipatse mphamvu zapadera nthawi iliyonse. tsiku.

ATATE LIVIO: Mayi athu akuti "Ine ndine Amayi ako ndipo ndimakukonda". Kodi mumamumva ngati Mayi?

IVAN: Inde, ndimamumva ngati Mayi. Palibe mawu ofotokozera kumverera uku. Ndilinso ndi mayi wapadziko lapansi: amayi awa adandiphunzitsa mpaka zaka 16. Mayi athu adanditenga ndili ndi zaka 16 ndikundiwongolera. Ndikhoza kunena kuti ndili ndi amayi awiri, mayi wapadziko lapansi ndi Mayi wakumwamba. Onse ndi amayi okongola kwambiri ndipo amalakalaka zabwino za mwana wawo, amakonda mwana wawo… Ndikufuna kupereka chikondi ichi kwa ena.

ATATE LIVIO: Ivan, Mayiwa akhala akutitumizira mauthenga kwa zaka zoposa 30. Kodi zazikulu ndi ziti?

IVAN: Pazaka 31 izi Dona Wathu watipatsa mauthenga ambiri ndipo tsopano palibe nthawi yokwanira yolankhula za uthenga uliwonse, koma ndikufuna kuyang'ana makamaka pa ena omwe ali apakati komanso ofunikira. MTENDERE, KUtembenuka, KUBWERERA KWA MULUNGU, KUPEMPHERA NDI MTIMA, KULAPA PAMODZI NDI KUSALA, UTHENGA WA CHIKONDI, UTHENGA WA CHIKHULULUKO, UKARISTI, KUWERENGA MALEMBA OYERA, UTHENGA WA CHIYEmbekezo. Mwaona, mauthenga amene angosonyezedwa kumene ameneŵa ndiwo ofunika kwambiri. M'zaka 31 izi, Dona Wathu akufuna kuzolowerana nafe pang'ono kenako amawasavuta, amawabweretsa pafupi kuti athe kuwagwiritsa ntchito bwino ndikukhala nawo bwino. Ndikumva kuti pamene Mayi Wathu atifotokozera uthenga, amachita khama lotani kuti tiumvetse ndi kuuchita bwino! Ndikufuna kutsindika kuti mauthenga a Dona Wathu apita kudziko lonse lapansi, chifukwa Iye ndi Amayi athu tonse. Dona wathu sananene kuti "okondedwa aku Italiya .. okondedwa aku America ...". Nthawi zonse, akamatilankhula ndi uthenga, amati: "Ana anga okondedwa!", Chifukwa ndi Amayi, amatikonda tonsefe, chifukwa ndife ofunika kwa iye. ndi cha ana ake onse. Kumapeto kwa uthenga uliwonse Dona Wathu amati: "Zikomo ana okondedwa, chifukwa mwayankha kuitana kwanga". Mukuwona, Dona Wathu zikomo ...

ATATE LIVIO: Mayi athu akuti tiyenera kulandira mauthenga ake "ndi mtima" ...

IVAN: Uthengawu womwe wabwerezedwapo kawirikawiri m'zaka 31 izi ndikupemphera ndi mtima, pamodzi ndi uthenga wamtendere. Ndi mauthenga okha opemphera ndi mtima komanso mwamtendere, Dona Wathu akufuna kumanga mauthenga ena onse. M'malo mwake, popanda pemphero palibe mtendere. Popanda kupemphera sitingazindikire ngakhale machimo, sitingathe kukhululuka, sitingathe kukondanso ... Pemphero ndi mtima wathu komanso mzimu wachikhulupiriro chathu. Kupemphera ndi mtima, osapemphera mwakudya, osapemphera kuti asatsatire miyambo yovomerezeka; ayi, musapemphere poyang'ana nthawi kuti mumalize pempherolo posachedwa ... Mayi athu akufuna kutipatsa nthawi yopemphera, kuti timapatula nthawi ya Mulungu.Pempherani ndi mtima: Amayi amatiphunzitsa chiyani? Mu "sukulu" iyi yomwe timadzipeza tokha, zikutanthauza kuti koposa zonse kupemphera ndi chikondi cha chikondi. Kupemphera ndi moyo wathu wonse ndikupanga pemphero lathu kukhala gawo lokhalanso ndi Yesu, zokambirana ndi Yesu, kupumula ndi Yesu; kotero titha kutuluka mu pempheroli lodzaza ndi chisangalalo ndi mtendere, kuwala, kopanda kulemera mumtima. Chifukwa pemphero laulere, pemphero limatipangitsa kukhala achimwemwe. Mayi athu akuti: "Pempherani kuti mukhale osangalala chifukwa cha inu!". Pempherani mosangalala. Dona wathu akudziwa, Amayi amadziwa kuti sitili opanda ungwiro, koma akufuna kuti tizilowa m'sukulu yopemphera ndipo tsiku lililonse timaphunzira pasukuluyi; aliyense payekha, monga banja, monga gulu, monga gulu la Pemphero. Ili ndiye sukulu yomwe tiyenera kupitilira komanso kukhala oleza mtima, khalani otsimikiza: ichi ndi mphatso yayikulu! Koma tiyenera kupempherera mphatsoyi. Dona Wathu akufuna kuti tizipemphera kwa maola atatu tsiku lililonse: anthu akamva izi, amakhala ndi mantha pang'ono ndipo amandiuza kuti: "Kodi Dona Wathu angatifunse bwanji kwa maola atatu tsiku lililonse?" Izi ndi zokhumba zake; Komabe, akamalankhula za mapemphero a maola atatu samangotanthauza pempherolo la Rosary, koma ndi funso kuti muwerenge Ma Holy Holy, Holy Mass, komanso Adorship of the Sacrement Yodalitsidwanso ndikugawana nanu. Pa izi, sankhani zabwino, limbanani ndiuchimo, motsutsana ndi zoyipa ". Tikalankhula za "mapulani" awa a Dona Wathu, nditha kunena kuti sindikudziwa bwino lomwe dongosololo. Izi sizitanthauza kuti sindiyenera kupempera kuti zitheke. Sikuti nthawi zonse timayenera kudziwa zonse! Tiyenera kupemphera ndi kudalira zopempha za Dona Wathu. Ngati Dona Wathu akufuna izi, tiyenera kuvomera pempholi.

BABA LIVIO: Mayi athu akuti adabwera kudzapanga dziko lapansi lamtendere. Kodi atero?

IVAN: Inde, koma pamodzi ndi tonsefe, ana anu. Mtenderewu ubwera, koma osati mtendere wochokera padziko lapansi ... Mtendere wa Yesu Khristu udzafika padziko lapansi! Koma Mayi Wathu adatinso ku Fatima ndipo akutiyitanitsabe kutiyika mutu wake pamutu wa satana; Mayi athu akupitiliza zaka 31 kuno ku Medjugorje kuti atilimbikitse kuti tiziika miyendo yathu pamutu pa satana ndipo nthawi ya Mtendere ikulamulira.

ATATE LIVIO: Pambuyo pa kuukira kwa nsanja ziwiri ku New York, Mayi Wathu ananena kuti Satana amafuna chidani, akufuna nkhondo komanso kuti pali dongosolo la Satana lowononga dziko limene tikukhalamo ...

IVAN: Ndiyenera kunena kuti Satana alipo lero kuposa ndi kale lonse m’dziko! Chomwe tiyenera kutsindika kwambiri masiku ano ndi chakuti Satana akufuna kuwononga mabanja, akufuna kuwononga achinyamata: achinyamata ndi mabanja ndiwo maziko a dziko latsopano… Ndikufunanso kunena chinthu china: Satana akufuna kuwononga mpingo. Alipo ngakhale ansembe osacita bwino; ndipo akufunanso kuwononga Maitanidwe a Ansembe amene akubadwa. Koma Mayi Wathu amatichenjeza nthawi zonse Satana asanachitepo kanthu: Amatichenjeza za kupezeka kwake. Pachifukwa ichi tiyenera kupemphera. Tiyenera makamaka kuwunikira zigawo zofunika kwambiri izi: 1 ° mabanja ndi achinyamata, 2 ° Mpingo ndi Maitanidwe.

ATATE LIVIO: Mayi athu adasankha parishi ya Medjugorje, ndipo mwanjira imeneyi amafuna kuyambitsanso Mpingo wonse.

IVAN: Mosakayikira zonsezi ndi chizindikiro chowonekera bwino cha kukonzanso kwauzimu kwa dziko lapansi ndi mabanja ... Ndipotu, oyendayenda ambiri amabwera kuno ku Medjugorje, amasintha miyoyo yawo, amasintha moyo wawo waukwati; ena, pambuyo pa zaka zambiri amabwerera kuulula, amakhala bwino ndipo, kubwerera ku nyumba zawo, amakhala chizindikiro m’malo amene amakhala. Polankhula za kusintha kwawo, amathandiza mpingo wawo, kupanga magulu a mapemphero ndi kuitana ena kusintha miyoyo yawo. Ichi ndi gulu lomwe silidzatha ... Mitsinje iyi ya anthu omwe amabwera ku Medjugorje, tikhoza kunena kuti "ali ndi njala". Mlendo woona nthawi zonse amakhala munthu wanjala kufunafuna chinachake; woyendera alendo amapita kukapuma ndikupita kumalo ena. Koma wapaulendo woona akuyang’ana chinthu china. Kwa zaka 31 zimene ndakumana nazo pa maonekedwewa, ndakumana ndi anthu ochokera kumadera onse a dziko lapansi ndipo ndikuona kuti anthu masiku ano ali ndi njala ya mtendere, anjala ya chikondi, anjala ya Mulungu. mpumulo apa; ndiye amayenda m'moyo ndi kusintha kumeneku. Monga ndili chida cha Mayi Wathu, iwonso adzakhala zida zake zolalikirira dziko lapansi. Tonse tiyenera kutenga nawo mbali mu ulaliki uwu! Ndi kulalikira kwa dziko lapansi, kwa mabanja ndi kwa ana. Nthawi yomwe tikukhalamo ndi nthawi ya udindo waukulu.

ATATE LIVIO: Palibe mwa kachisi aliyense amene ndikudziwa kuti ansembe ambiri amabwera ngati ku Medjugorje ...

IVAN: Ndi chizindikiro kuti apa pali gwero; Ansembe amene abwera kamodzi adzabweranso nthawi zina. Palibe Wansembe amene amabwera ku Medjugorje amabwera chifukwa ali wokakamizika, koma chifukwa adamva kuyitana kochokera kwa Mulungu mumtima mwake. chifukwa Mulungu ndi Mayi Wathu akufuna kuti alankhulepo kanthu kwa iye: uthenga wofunikira kwambiri. Amabwera kuno, amalandira uthengawo, amabweretsa uthengawu ndipo ndi uthengawu amakhala kuwala. Iye amachitengera ku parishi ndiyeno amachiulula kwa aliyense.

ATATE LIVIO: M’chaka chathachi, makamaka m’mauthenga opita kwa Mirjana, Mayi Wathu amalimbikitsa kuti tisamang’ung’udza kwa Abusa ndi kuwapempherera. Mayi athu akuwoneka kuti ali ndi nkhawa kwambiri ndi Abusa a Tchalitchi ...

IVAN: Inde, ngakhale mumauthenga omwe mumandipatsa ndikumva nkhawa yanuyi, koma nthawi yomweyo, ndi pemphero la Ansembe, mukufuna kubweretsa chiyembekezo ku mpingo. Mayi athu sanadzudzule Ansembe, sanadzudzulepo Mpingo. Iye amakonda ansembe m’njira inayake, amakonda “ana ake okondedwa” amene ndi ansembe. Lachinayi lililonse ndimakumana ndi Ansembe m’maonekedwe ndipo ndimaona mmene chikondi chilili m’maso mwa Mayi Wathu akamaona Ansembe “ake”wa atasonkhana pamodzi. Ndimatenga mwayi wa kuyankhulana uku ndikunena kwa onse okhulupirika: musadzudzule Abusa anu ndipo musayang'ane zolakwa zawo; tiyeni tipemphere kwa Ansembe!

ATATE LIVIO: Dona Wathu adawonetsa amasomphenya moyo wapambuyo pa imfa, ndiko kuti, njira ya moyo wathu, kutikumbutsa kuti pano tili kudziko la oyendayenda. Inu Ivan, mwatengedwera Kumwamba: kodi mungatiuze za chochitika ichi?

IVAN: Choyamba tiyenera kunena kuti nkovuta kufotokoza m’mawu momwe Kumwamba kulili. Mu 1984 komanso 1988 ndi nthawi ziwiri zomwe Dona Wathu adandiwonetsa Kumwamba. Anandiuza dzulo lake. Tsiku limenelo, ndimakumbukira, Mayi Wathu akubwera, akundigwira dzanja ndipo nthawi yomweyo ndafika ku Paradaiso: malo opanda malire m'chigwa cha Medjugorje, opanda malire, kumene nyimbo zimamveka, pali Angelo ndipo anthu akuyenda ndikuimba. ; aliyense amavala madiresi aatali. Kuchokera pamene ndimayang'ana, ndinawona kuti anthu amawoneka azaka zofanana ... Ndizovuta kupeza mawu. Izinso zikutsimikizira Uthenga Wabwino: "Diso silinawone, khutu silinamve ...". Kumwamba kulidi kovuta kufotokoza! Dona wathu amatitsogolera tonse kunka Kumwamba ndipo akabwera tsiku lililonse amatibweretsera chidutswa cha Kumwamba. Kuseri kwa mapewa ake mutha kuwona Paradiso uyu ...

ATATE LIVIO: Paulo Woyera akuti adatengedwa kupita Kumwamba, koma sakudziwa ngati ali ndi thupi kapena wopanda thupi ...

IVAN: Ndikungonena kuti Mayi Wathu adandigwira dzanja ndipo kuchokera pamalo amenewo ndidawona Kumwamba, Kumwamba kutseguka, koma sindingathe kunena kuti ndi thupi kapena ayi. Chilichonse chinachitika panthawi ya kuwonekera. Chinali chisangalalo chachikulu! Zambiri kapena zochepa izi zidatenga mphindi zisanu. Mu imodzi mwa nthawi ziwiri izi, Dona Wathu anandifunsa kuti: "Kodi mukufuna kukhala kuno?". Ndikukumbukira, chinali 5 ndipo ndinali mwana ndipo ndinayankha kuti: "Ayi, ndikufuna kubwerera, chifukwa sindinanene chilichonse kwa amayi anga!".

ATATE LIVIO: Kodi n’koyenera kunena, monga momwe Vicka ananeneranso, kuti pambuyo pa zaka 31 “tidakali pachiyambi cha masomphenya”?

IVAN: Funso ili la kutalika kwa masomphenya likupezekanso kwa Aepiskopi, Ansembe ndi okhulupirika. Nthawi zambiri Ansembe amandifunsa kuti: “N’chifukwa chiyani amakhala nthawi yaitali chonchi? Chifukwa chiyani Mkazi Wathu akubwera kwa nthawi yayitali? Ena amati: "Amayi athu amabwera ndi kutiuza zomwezo nthawi zambiri, palibe chatsopano ...". Ansembe ena amati: “Tili ndi Baibulo, Mpingo, Masakramenti… Inde, tili ndi Mpingo, Masakramenti, Malemba Opatulika… Koma Dona Wathu akutifunsa funso: “Koma kodi mukukhala ndi zinthu zonsezi zimene mwazilemba pamwambazi? Kodi mumachita nawo? ” Ili ndi funso limene aliyense wa ife ayenera kuyankha. Kodi tikukhaladi ndi moyo umene tili nawo? Dona wathu ali nafe chifukwa cha izi. Tikudziwa kuti tiyenera kupemphera m'banja ndipo sitichita, timadziwa kuti tiyenera kukhululukira ndipo sitikhululukira, timadziwanso Lamulo la chikondi ndipo sitikonda, timadziwa kuti tiyenera kuchita ntchito zachifundo. ndipo sitichita, tikudziwa kuti pali Lamulo lopita ku Misa lamulungu ndipo sitipita kumeneko, tikudziwa kuti kuulula kumafunika kwa ife, koma sitipita kumeneko, tikudziwa kuti tinakwatirana tiyenera kukhala ndi moyo. Sakramenti laukwati wathu, sitikukhalamo, timadziwanso kuti tiyenera kulemekeza ndi kuyamikira moyo kuyambira nthawi yomwe mayi ali ndi pakati mpaka imfa, koma sitilemekeza moyo uno ... Chifukwa chomwe Mayi Wathu ali pakati pathu kwa nthawi yaitali. chifukwa ndife owuma! Sitikhala zomwe tikudziwa! Zoonadi, m'zaka za 31 izi Mayi Wathu sanatipatse uthenga wapadera: tikudziwa zonse zomwe amatiuza kuchokera ku chiphunzitso ndi miyambo ya Tchalitchi, koma sitimakhala nazo: iyi ndiye mfundo.

ATATE LIVIO: Koma Mayi Wathu ananena kuti mauthengawo ndi mphatso yaikulu ndipo mawu ake ndi amtengo wapatali. Mwina sitikudziwa izi ...

IVAN: Ndikugwirizana nanu kwathunthu: sitinadziwe bwino za mphatso ya kukhalapo kwa Amayi athu akumwamba kwa zaka 31 kale! Makamaka mu nthawi ino yomwe tikukhalamo. Ndikhoza kunena momveka bwino kuti ngakhale parishiyi sadziwa mokwanira za mphatso yomwe walandira. Koma ndikufuna kuwunikiranso chinthu chimodzi chofunikira kwambiri: Dona Wathu akuti kubwera kwake padziko lapansi ndi komaliza! Chifukwa chake tiyenera kumvetsetsa kukula komanso kufulumira kwa mauthengawa, komanso kutalika kwa mawonekedwe awa ku Medjugorje ...

ATATE LIVIO: Mayi Wathu wakupatsani udindo wotsogolera Gulu kuyambira 1982 komwe amapereka mauthenga ambiri. N’chifukwa chiyani munamusankha, munamutsogolera bwanji ndipo ankafuna achite chiyani nanu?

IVAN: Chaka chino tachita chikondwerero cha 30 cha Gulu lathu: ndi Jubilee yabwino kwa ife. Tinayamba mwachisawawa mu 1982: tinasonkhana, apolisi anatithamangitsa…kenako tidaona kufunika kokumana pafupipafupi Lolemba, Lachitatu ndi Lachisanu. Tinasonkhana pafupi ndi Blue Cross yomwe yakhala ikugwirizana ndi kubadwa kwa Gulu lathu. Ndikufuna ndikuuzeni, momwe gulu la Blue Cross linabadwira, poyamba linali malo omwe timabisala kuti tithawe apolisi. Mnzanga wina anali atamwalira ndipo mnzanga wina anaika mtanda wamatabwa ndipo iwo anandiuza kuti: "Mtanda uwu wokhala ndi makandulo ukuyaka, tiyenera kuika chinachake chotsutsa". Ndipo tinatero aŵirife. Bambo anga anali kujambula njanji ndipo anali ndi utoto wambiri wabuluu wotsalira; tinalibe kalikonse koma icho ndipo kotero ife tinapenta mtanda uwu, wosasunthika kwambiri, wamtundu wa buluu. Chomwecho chinabadwa Blue Cross, koma ndikufuna kubwereranso ku zomwe ziri zofunika: pachiyambi tinkasonkhana ndikupemphera kwa maora awiri kapena atatu nthawi iliyonse. Kenako Dona Wathu adati akufuna kubwera kudzapemphera nafe. Misonkhano yathu inkachitika m’mikhalidwe yonse yanyengo: bora, chipale chofeŵa, mvula. Nthawi zina Dona Wathu adatipempha kuti tipite kumeneko kukapemphera 25 kapena XNUMX koloko m'mawa ndipo tinali okonzeka: chilichonse chomwe Mayi Wathu adatipempha kuti tichite, tinali okonzeka kuchichita ndi mtima wathu wonse! Ndipo kotero Gululo linali kukula. Mamembala ena a Gulu sakanathanso kugwira ntchito zolemetsa za Madonna; ndipo chifukwa cha ichi adasiya Gulu. Koma ena atsopano abwera ndipo pakali pano ndife gulu la anthu XNUMX. Timasonkhanabe; Dona Wathu wapereka mauthenga ambiri ndipo kudzera mu mauthenga awa Mayi Wathu amatitsogolera. Iyi ndi misonkhano yotseguka ndipo onse omwe akufuna atha kutenga nawo mbali: ku Blue Cross ndi pa Podbrdo. Ndikufuna kutsindika kuti cholinga cha Gululi, ndikutengapo mbali ndi mapemphero, ndikukwaniritsa ntchito zomwe Mayi Wathu ali nazo kudzera mu Parishi, ansembe komanso zolinga zina za Mayi Wathu. Imatchedwa Gulu la "Mfumukazi Yamtendere", pambuyo pake Magulu ambiri ouziridwa ndi Gululi adabadwa. Iwo ndi ofunika kwambiri: kwa Mpingo, kwa banja ndipo amapereka chilimbikitso chochuluka pa kulalikira kwa dziko lonse lapansi.

ATATE LIVIO: Ndi gulu la mapemphero a Madonna. Ndipo thandizani Mayi Wathu.

IVAN: Inde!

ATATE LIVIO: Kodi n’koyenera kunena kuti “nthawi ya zinsinsi” idzakhala nthawi ya mayesero aakulu kwa mpingo ndi dziko lonse lapansi?

IVAN: Inde, ndikuvomereza. Ponena za zinsinsi sitingathe kunena kalikonse, koma ndingangonena kuti nthawi yofunika kwambiri ikubwera; mwanjira ina pali nthawi yofunika kwa Mpingo. Tonse tiyenera kupempherera cholinga ichi.

ATATE LIVIO: Kodi idzakhala nthawi yoyesedwa pa chikhulupiriro?

IVAN: Ali kale pano tsopano ...

ATATE LIVIO: Kodi mwina ndi chifukwa chake Benedict XVI, mouziridwa ndi Dona Wathu, adalengeza "Chaka cha Chikhulupiriro"?

IVAN: Papa amatsogozedwa mwachindunji ndi dzanja la Madonna; ndipo iye, mu mgwirizano uwu ndi iye, akutsogolera Mpingo wake ndi dziko lonse lapansi. Lero m’mawonekedwe ndidzakulangizani nonse ndi mwapadera odwala onse; makamaka ndikupangira Radio Maria kuti ifalitse uthenga wabwino ndi wabwinowu! Ndivomerezanso anthu aku America ndi America komwe chaka chino Purezidenti watsopano adzasankhidwa, Purezidenti yemwe adzatsogolera America panjira ya Mtendere ndi Ubwino, osati ndi mawu okha, koma ndi moyo. Mfumukazi ya Mtendere, mutipempherere ife!

Source: Wailesi ya Maria