Jacov waku Medjugorje akukuwuzani momwe adaphunzirira kupemphera ndi Mayi Wathu

ATATE LIVIO: Chabwino Jakov tsopano tiwone mauthenga ati omwe Dona wathu watipatsa kuti atitsogolere ku chipulumutso chamuyaya. Palibe kukaikira chifukwa iye, monga mayi, akhala ndi ife nthawi yayitali kuti atithandizire, munthawi yovuta yamtundu wa anthu, panjira yopita kumwamba. Kodi ndi mauthenga ati omwe Dona Wathu wakupatsani?

JAKOV: Uwu ndiye mauthenga akuluakulu.

BABA LIVIO: Ndi ziti?

JAKOV: Ndi pemphero, kusala, kutembenuka, mtendere ndi Holy Mass.

ATATE LIVIO: Zinthu khumi zokhudza uthenga wa pemphelo.

JAKOV: Monga tonse tikudziwa, Mkazi Wathu amatipempha tsiku lililonse kuti tizibwereza mbali zitatu za Ros. Ndipo akatipempha kuti tizipemphera kolona, ​​kapena kutipempha kuti tizipemphera, amafuna kuti tizichita kuchokera pansi pa mtima.
BAMBO LIVIO: Mukuganiza kuti zikutanthauza chiyani kupemphera ndi mtima wathu?

JAKOV: Ndi funso lovuta kwa ine, chifukwa ndikuganiza kuti palibe amene angalongosolere pemphero ndi mtima, koma ingoyesani.

BAMBO LIVIO: Chifukwa chake ndi chochitika chomwe munthu amayenera kuchita.

JAKOV: Kwenikweni ndimaganiza kuti tikamva chosowa mu mtima mwathu, tikamaona kuti mtima wathu ukufuna thandizo, tikamva chisangalalo popemphera, tikamva mtendere popemphera, ndiye kuti timapemphera ndi mtima. Komabe, sitiyenera kupemphera ngati ndi udindo, chifukwa Mkazi wathu samakakamiza aliyense. M'malo mwake, pomwe adawonekera ku Medjugorje ndikufunsa kutsatira mauthengawo, sananene kuti: "Muyenera kuzilandira", koma amamuyitanitsa.

BAMBO LIVIO: Kodi mukumva pang'ono Jacov Mkazi Wathu akupemphera?

JAKOV: Mosakayikira.

BABA LIVIO: Mumapemphera bwanji?

JAKOV: Muzipemphera kwa Yesu chifukwa ...

BABA LIVIO: Koma simunamuwonepo akupemphera?

JAKOV: Nthawi zonse mumapemphera nafe Atate wathu ndi Ulemelero kwa Atate.

Abambo LIVIO: Ndikuganiza kuti mumapemphera mwanjira ina yake.

JAKOV: Inde.

BAMBO LIVIO: Ngati zingatheke, yesani kufotokoza momwe amapemphera. Kodi mukudziwa chifukwa chake ndikufunsani funso ili? Chifukwa Bernadette adachita chidwi ndi momwe mayi Wathu adalembera chizindikiro cha mtanda wopatulika, pomwe adati kwa iye: "Tiwonetse momwe Mkazi Wathu amapangira chizindikiro cha mtanda", adakana kuti: "Sizotheka kupanga chizindikiro cha mtanda wopatulika monga Namwali Woyera amatero ". Ndiye chifukwa chake ndikukufunsani kuti muyesere, ngati nkotheka, kutiuza momwe Madonna amapemphera.

JAKOV: Sitingathe, chifukwa choyambirira sizotheka kuyimira mawu a Madonna, omwe ndi mawu okongola. Kuphatikiza apo, momwe Mkazi Wathu amatchulira mawu ndiwokongola.

BAMBO LIVIO: Mukutanthauza kunena mawu abambo athu ndi aulemelero kwa Atate?

JAKOV: Inde, amawauza kukoma komwe sungathe kufotokoza, kuti ngati mumvera iye ndiye kuti mufuna ndikupemphera monga momwe Dona wathu amachitira.

ATATE LIVIO: Zodabwitsa!

JAKOV: Ndipo akuti: "Izi ndi zomwe pemphero limapemphera ndi mtima! Ndani akudziwa nthawi inenso ndidzapemphera monga Dona Wathu Amachita ”.

BAMBO LIVIO: Kodi Mkazi Wathu amapemphera ndi mtima?

JAKOV: Mosakayikira.

BABA LIVIO: Nanga inunso mukuwona Madona akupemphera, kodi mwaphunzira kupemphera?

JAKOV: Ndaphunzira kupemphera pang'ono, koma sindingapemphere ngati Mkazi Wathu.

BAMBO LIVIO: Inde, zoona. Mkazi wathu ndiye pemphero lopangidwa thupi.

BAMBO LIVIO: Kupatula Atate wathu ndi Ulemelero kwa Atate, ndi mapemphero enanso ati omwe Mayi athu adanena? Ndamva, zikuwoneka ngati ndikuchokera ku Vicka, koma sindikutsimikiza, kuti nthawi zina amatchulanso Chikhulupiriro.

JAKOV: Ayi, Mkazi wathu ndi ine ayi.

BABA LIVIO: Ndi inu, sichoncho? Sichoncho?

JAKOV: Ayi, ayi. Ena mwa ife m'masomphenyawo adafunsa Mayi Wathu kuti adakonda chiyani ndipo adayankha kuti: "Chikhulupiriro".

BABA LIVIO: Chikhulupiriro?

JAKOV: Inde, Chikhulupiriro.

BABA LIVIO: Kodi simunamuwone Mkazi Wathu akupanga chizindikiro cha mtanda wopatulika?

JAKOV: Ayi, ngati ine ayi.

BAMBO LIVIO: Zachidziwikire kuti chitsanzo chomwe adatipatsira ku Lourdes chiyenera kukhala chokwanira. Ndipo, kupatula Atate athu ndi Ulemelero kwa Atate, simunabwererenso mapemphero ena ndi Dona Wathu. Koma mverani, Kodi Dona Wathu sanatchulidwepo za Ave Maria?

JAKOV: Ayi. M'malo mwake, poyamba izi zidawoneka zachilendo ndipo tidadzifunsa tokha: "Koma chifukwa chiyani a Ave Maria sakunena?". Nthawi ina, pamwambowu, nditatha kuwerengera Atate athu ndi Mayi athu, ndidapitiliza ndi a Tikuoneni a Mary, koma nditazindikira kuti Dona Wathu, m'malo mwake, adatchulanso Ulemelero kwa Atate, ndidayima ndipo ndidapitiliza ndi iye.

BAMBO LIVIO: Mverani, Jakov, munganenenenso chiyani pamakedzedwe akulu omwe Mayi Wathu adatiphunzitsa pa pemphero? Kodi ndi ziti zomwe mwaphunzira kuchokera mmoyo wanu?

JAKOV: Ndikuganiza kuti pemphero ndi chinthu chofunikira kwambiri kwa ife. Khalani ngati chakudya cha moyo wathu. Ndinanenanso m'mbuyomu mafunso onsewa omwe timadzifunsa tokha tanthauzo la moyo: Ndikuganiza kuti palibe aliyense padziko lapansi amene sanadzifunsepo mafunso za iye. Titha kukhala ndi mayankho mu pemphero. Chimwemwe chonse chomwe timafunafuna mdziko lapansi chikhoza kukhala ndi pemphero.

BABA LIVIO: Nzoona!

JAKOV: Mabanja athu amatha kukhala nawo athanzi ndi pemphero. Ana athu amakula athanzi pokhapokha akamapemphera.
BAMBO LIVIO: Kodi ana anu ali ndi zaka zingati?

JAKOV: Ana anga ndi amodzi asanu, mmodzi atatu ndi mmodzi miyezi iwiri ndi theka.

BABA LIVIO: Kodi mwaphunzirapo kale zaka zisanu kuti azipemphera?

JAKOV: Inde, Ariadne amatha kupemphera.

BABA LIVIO: Kodi mwaphunzira chiyani?

JAKOV: Pakadali pano Atate wathu, Tikuoneni Maria ndi Ulemelero kwa Atate.

BAMBO LIVIO: Kodi mumapemphera nokha kapena nanu m'banja?

JAKOV: Pempherani nafe, inde.

BAMBO LIVIO: Kodi mumapemphera m'mabanja ati?

JAKOV: Tipemphere rosari.

BABA LIVIO: Tsiku lililonse?

JAKOV: inde komanso "Patini asanu ndi awiri, Ave ndi Gloria", omwe ana atagona, timachita zinthu limodzi ndi amayi awo.

BAMBO LIVIO: Kodi ana sapeka mapemphero?

JAKOV: Inde, nthawi zina timawalola kuti azipemphera okha. Tiyeni tiwone zomwe akufuna kunena kwa Yesu kapena Dona Wathu.

BAMBO LIVIO: Kodi nawonso amayankha mapemphero osangalatsa?

JAKOV: Wongokhala, wopangidwa ndi iwo.

BAMBO LIVIO: Zachidziwikire. Ngakhale mwana wazaka zitatu?

JAKOV: Mwana wazaka zitatu amakhala wokwiya pang'ono.

BABA LIVIO: Ah inde? Kodi muli ndi zofunikira kuzungulira?

JAKOV: Inde, tikamuuza kuti: "Tsopano tiyenera kupemphera pang'ono"

ATATE LIVIO: Ndiye mukukakamira?

JAKOV: Ndikuganiza kuti chofunika kwambiri ndi chakuti ana ayenera kukhala chitsanzo m'banja.

ATATE LIVIO: chitsanzo chimachita zambiri kuposa mawu aliwonse.

JAKOV: Sitingathe kuwakakamiza, chifukwa simungathe kunena kwa ana a zaka zitatu, "Khalani pano kwa mphindi makumi anayi," chifukwa sakuvomereza. Koma ndikuganiza kuti ana ayenera kuona chitsanzo cha pemphero m’banja. Ayenera kuona kuti Mulungu ali m’banja mwathu ndi kuti timapatulira nthaŵi yathu kwa iye.

ATATE LIVIO: Inde, ndipo mulimonse mmene zingakhalire, makolo ayenera, mwa chitsanzo ndi kuphunzitsa, kuyamba ndi ana kuyambira achichepere kwambiri.

JAKOV: Inde. Kuyambira ali aang'ono ayenera kudziwa Mulungu, kudziwa Mayi Wathu ndi kulankhula nawo za Mayi Wathu monga amayi awo, monga tanenera kale. Mwanayo ayenera kupangidwa kumva kuti “Madonna wamng’ono” ndi mayi ake amene ali Kumwamba ndipo akufuna kumuthandiza. Koma ana ayenera kudziwa zinthu zimenezi kuyambira pachiyambi.

JAKOV: Ndikudziwa apaulendo ambiri omwe amabwera ku Medjugorje. Amadzifunsa pambuyo pa zaka makumi awiri kapena makumi atatu: "Bwanji ana anga sapemphera?". Koma mukawafunsa kuti: “Kodi munapempherapo nthaŵi zina m’banjamo?”, Amayankha kuti ayi. Ndiye mungayembekezere bwanji mwana wamwamuna wazaka makumi awiri kapena makumi atatu kupemphera pomwe sanapempherepo pabanja ndipo samamva kuti m'banjamo muli Mulungu?

ATATE LIVIO: Mauthengawa akuwonetsa kuti Mayi Wathu amakhudzidwa kwambiri ndi mapemphero abanja. Tikuwona momwe mukulimbikira kwambiri pamfundoyi.

JAKOV: Ndithudi, chifukwa ndikuganiza kuti mavuto onse omwe tili nawo m'banja tikhoza kuthetsa ndi pemphero. Pemphero ndi limene limachititsa kuti banja likhale logwirizana, kupeŵa kulekana kumene kumachitika masiku ano atangokwatirana kumene.

ATATE LIVIO: Tsoka ilo ndi chowonadi chomvetsa chisoni kwambiri

JAKOV: Chifukwa? Chifukwa kulibe Mulungu, chifukwa m’mabanja mulibe makhalidwe. Ngati tili ndi Mulungu,

m’mabanja muli makhalidwe. Mavuto ena, omwe timaganiza kuti ndi aakulu, amachepetsedwa ngati tingathe kuwathetsa pamodzi, kudziyika tokha patsogolo pa mtanda ndikupempha chisomo kwa Mulungu. Amadzitsimikizira mwa kupemphera pamodzi.

ATATE LIVIO: Ndikuwona kuti mwatengera bwino kuitana kwa Mayi Wathu ku pemphero labanja.

ATATE LIVIO: Tamverani, Kodi Mayi Wathu adakutsogolerani bwanji kuti mupeze Yesu, Ukalisitiya ndi Misa Yopatulika?

JAKOV: Momwe ndidanenera, ngati mayi. Chifukwa tikadakhala ndi mphatso ya Mulungu yowona Mayi Wathu, tidayeneranso kuvomereza zomwe Mayi Wathu amatiuza. Sindinganene kuti zonse zinali zophweka kuyambira pachiyambi. Mukakhala ndi zaka khumi ndipo Dona Wathu akukuuzani kuti mupemphere rozari zitatu, mumaganiza kuti: "O amayi, ndingapemphere bwanji rosaries zitatu?". Kapena amakuuzani kuti mupite ku Misa ndipo m’masiku oyambirira tinali kutchalitchi kwa maola asanu ndi limodzi kapena asanu ndi awiri. Ndikupita kutchalitchi ndinaona anzanga akusewera mpira m’mabwalo ndipo nthawi ina ndinadziuza kuti: “Koma inenso sindingathe kusewera chifukwa chiyani?”. Koma tsopano, ndikaganizira za nthawi imeneyo ndi kuganizira zonse zimene ndalandira, ndimanong’oneza bondo kuti ndinaziganizira ngakhale kamodzi kokha.

ATATE LIVIO: Ndikukumbukira kuti, nditafika ku Medjugorje mu 1985, cha m'ma XNUMX koloko munali kale m'nyumba ya Marija kuti mumudikire ndikupita limodzi kutchalitchi ku ma rozari, kuwonekera ndi Misa Yoyera. Tinabweranso madzulo cha m’ma XNUMX. M’zochita, m’maŵa wanu munali woperekedwa kusukulu ndipo masana anali a homuweki ndi pemphero, osawerengera misonkhano ndi amwendamnjira. Osati zoipa kwa mnyamata wazaka khumi.

JAKOV: Koma pamene mudziwa chikondi cha Mayi Wathu, pamene mumvetsetsa mmene Yesu amakukonderani ndi kuchuluka kwa zomwe wakuchitirani, ndiye kuti inunso muyankhe ndi mtima wotseguka.

JAKOV: Ndithudi, chifukwa cha machimo athu.

ATATE LIVIO: Komanso yanga ndi yanu.

JAKOV: Zanga ndi za ena.

ATATE LIVIO: Ndithu. Mvetserani, Marija ndi Vicka anena kangapo kuti Mayi Wathu adakuwonetsani Yesu Lachisanu Lachisanu. Kodi inunso mwachiwona?

JAKOV: Inde, chinali chimodzi mwazowonekera koyamba.

ATATE LIVIO: Mwaona bwanji?

JAKOV: Taona Yesu akuvutika. taziwona mpaka theka lautali. Ndinachita chidwi kwambiri ... Kodi mukudziwa makolo akakuuzani kuti Yesu anafera pamtanda, kuti Yesu anazunzika komanso kuti ifenso monga ana timamuvutitsa pamene sitinali ochita bwino komanso osamvera? kwa makolo athu? Chabwino, mukaona kuti Yesu anazunzikadi chotere, ndiye kuti mumamva chisoni ngakhale pa zolakwa zazing'ono zomwe mudachita m'moyo wanu, ngakhale zazing'ono zomwe mwina munali osalakwa kapena munazichita mosalakwa ... pamenepo, mumamvera chisoni chirichonse.

ATATE LIVIO: Kodi ndikuwoneka kuti panthawiyo Mayi Wathu akanakuuzani kuti Yesu anazunzika chifukwa cha machimo athu?

ATATE LIVIO: Tisaiwale zimenezo.

JAKOV: Koma chimene chikukuvutitsani kwambiri n’chakuti, mwatsoka, ambiri akuvutitsabe Yesu ndi machimo awo.

ATATE LIVIO: Kuchokera ku chinsinsi cha Passion timadutsa ku Khirisimasi. Kodi n’zoona kuti mwaona Yesu wakhanda?

JAKOV: Inde, Khrisimasi iliyonse.

ATATE LIVIO: Pa Khrisimasi yapitayi, mudawona Madonna kwa nthawi yoyamba, pambuyo pa XNUMXth ya September momwe adakupatsani chinsinsi chakhumi, kodi Madonna adawonekeranso kwa inu ndi Mwana?

JAKOV: Ayi, anabwera yekha.

ATATE LIVIO: Anabwera yekha, popanda Mwana?

JAKOV: Inde.

ATATE LIVIO: Pamene mudalandira zowoneka tsiku ndi tsiku mumabwera Khrisimasi iliyonse ndi Mwana Yesu?

JAKOV: Inde, anabwera ndi Mwana Yesu.

ATATE LIVIO: Nanga Mwana Yesu anali wotani?

JAKOV: Mwana Yesu sanawonekere kwambiri chifukwa Mayi Wathu nthawi zonse ankamuphimba ndi chophimba chake.

ATATE LIVIO: Ndi chophimba chake?

JAKOV: Inde.

ATATE LIVIO: Nde sunawone bwino?

JAKOV: Koma chinthu chokoma kwambiri ndi chikondi cha Mayi Wathu pa Mwana uyu.

ATATE LIVIO: Kodi chikondi cha Mariya cha Mariya kwa Yesu chinakukhudzani?

JAKOV: Kuwona chikondi cha Mayi Wathu pa Mwana uyu, nthawi yomweyo mumamva chikondi cha Mayi Wathu pa inu.
ATATE LIVIO: Ndiko kuti, kuchokera ku chikondi chomwe Mayi Wathu ali nacho pa Mwana Yesu mumamva ...

JAKOV: Ndipo amamugwira bwanji Mwana uyu ...

ATATE LIVIO: Mumasunga bwanji?

JAKOV: Momwemonso mumamvanso chikondi chomwe ali nacho kwa inu.

ATATE LIVIO: Ndimasilira komanso kuchita chidwi ndi zomwe wanena. Koma tsopano tiyeni tibwererenso ku mutu wa pemphero.

Misa yopatulika

ATATE LIVIO: M’maganizidwe anu n’chifukwa chiyani Mayi Wathu amasamala kwambiri za Misa Yopatulika?

JAKOV: Ndikuganiza kuti pa Misa Yopatulika tili ndi chirichonse, timalandira chirichonse, chifukwa Yesu alipo Yesu ayenera kukhala, kwa Mkhristu aliyense, pakati pa moyo wake ndipo pamodzi ndi iye mpingo womwewo uyenera kukhala. Ichi ndichifukwa chake Dona Wathu akutiyitana kuti tipite ku Misa Yopatulika ndikuyiyika kukhala yofunika kwambiri.
ATATE LIVIO: Kodi kuyitanidwa kwa Mayi Wathu ku Misa yachikondwerero kokha kapena ku Misa yatsiku ndi tsiku?

JAKOV: Ngakhale mkati mwa sabata, ngati n'kotheka. Eeh.

ATATE LIVIO: Mauthenga ena a Madonna amapemphanso kuulula. Kodi Dona Wathu sanalankhule nanu za kuvomereza?

JAKOV: Mayi wathu adati tiyenera kupita kukaulula kamodzi pamwezi. Palibe munthu pa dziko lapansi amene safunika kuvomereza, chifukwa, ndikulankhula za zomwe ndakumana nazo, pamene uvomereza umadzimva kukhala oyera mu mtima mwako, umakhala wopepuka. Chifukwa pamene inu, kupita kwa wansembe ndi kupepesa kwa Ambuye, kwa Yesu, ngakhale machimo ang'onoang'ono, inu kulonjeza ndi kuyesa kubwereza kachiwiri, ndiye mudzalandira chikhululukiro ndipo mukumva woyera ndi kuwala.

ATATE LIVIO: Ambiri amapeŵa kuulula machimo awo ndi chowiringula ichi: “N’chifukwa chiyani ndiyenera kuulula kwa wansembe, pamene ndikhoza kuulula machimo anga mwachindunji kwa Mulungu?

JAKOV: Ndikuganiza kuti maganizo amenewa amadalira mfundo yakuti mwatsoka, anthu ambiri masiku ano salemekeza ansembe. Sanamvetsetse kuti pano padziko lapansi wansembe akuimira Yesu.

JAKOV: Ambiri amadzudzula ansembe, koma samamvetsetsa kuti ngakhale wansembe ndi munthu ngati tonsefe. Timam’dzudzula m’malo mopita kukalankhula naye ndi kumuthandiza m’mapemphero athu. Dona Wathu wanenapo nthawi zambiri

tiyenera kupempherera ansembe, kuti tikhale ndi ansembe oyera, choncho tiyenera kuwapempherera, m’malo mowadzudzula. Ndamva nthawi zambiri amwendamnjira omwe akudandaula kuti: "Wansembe wanga wa parishi sakufuna izi, wansembe wanga sakufuna izi ... .11 wansembe wanga sakufuna kupemphera ...". Koma inu pitani mukalankhule naye, mukamufunse chifukwa chake izi zikuchitika, pemphererani abusa anu ndipo musamawadzudzule.

JAKOV: Ansembe athu amafunikira thandizo lathu.

ATATE LIVIO: Ndiye Mayi Wathu wakhala akutilimbikitsa mobwerezabwereza kuti tizipempherera ansembe?

JAKOV: Inde, nthawi zambiri. Makamaka kudzera mwa Ivan, Mayi Wathu akutipempha kuti tizipempherera ansembe.

ATATE LIVIO: Kodi munamvapo panokha Mayi Wathu akukuitanani kuti mupempherere Papa?

JAKOV: Ayi, sanandiuzepo, koma adachitira ena.

BABA LIVIO: Pambuyo pa pemphero ndi uthenga wofunika uti?

JAKOV: Mayi athu amatifunsanso kuti tisasala kudya.

BABA LIVIO: Mumafunsa mwachangu chiyani?

JAKOV: Mayi athu amatifunsa kuti tisala kudya mkate ndi madzi Lachitatu komanso Lachisanu. Komabe, pamene Dona Wathu watifunsa kuti tisala kudya, akufuna kuti zichitike ndi chikondi chathu kwa Mulungu. Sitinena, monga zimakonda kuchitikira, "Ndikasala kudya ndimamva bwino", kapena kusala chabe kuti ndichite, m'malo mwake ndikofunikira osachita. Tiyenera kusala ndi mtima wathunthu ndikupereka nsembe yathu.

Pali odwala ambiri omwe sangathe kusala kudya, koma amatha kupereka zinazake, zomwe amakonda kwambiri. Koma ziyenera kuchitikadi ndi chikondi.

Ndithudi pali nsembe ina pamene kusala kudya, koma ngati tiyang’ana pa zimene Yesu anatichitira ife, zimene iye anapirira kwa ife tonse, ngati ife tiyang’ana pa kunyozeka kwake, kodi kusala kudya kwathu ndi kotani? Ndikanthu kakang'ono chabe.

Ndikuganiza kuti tiyenera kuyesetsa kumvetsa chinachake, chimene, mwatsoka, ambiri sanamvetsebe: pamene ife timasala kudya kapena pamene tikupemphera, kuti tipindule ndi ndani?

Poganizira zimenezi, timadzichitira tokha, tsogolo lathu, ngakhale thanzi lathu. N’zosakayikitsa kuti zonsezi n’zakutipindulitsa ndiponso kutipulumutsa.

Nthawi zambiri ndimanena izi kwa apaulendo: Dona wathu ali bwino kumwamba ndipo alibe chifukwa chotsika pansi pano. Koma akufuna kutipulumutsa tonse, chifukwa chikondi chake kwa ife ndi chachikulu.

Tiyenera kuthandiza Dona Wathu kuti athe kudzipulumutsa.

Ndiye chifukwa chake tiyenera kuvomereza zomwe amatiitanira mu mauthenga ake.

ATATE LIVIO: Pali chinthu chimodzi chomwe mukunena chomwe chimandikhudza kwambiri. Ndiye kuti, ndikumveka bwino komwe mumamvetsetsa kuti kupezeka kwa Mayi Wathu kwa nthawi yayitali pakati pathu kuli ndi chipulumutso chamuyaya cha miyoyo monga cholinga chake chachikulu. Dongosolo lonse la Chiombolo likulunjika ku cholinga chachikulu ichi. Ndipotu palibe chofunika kwambiri kuposa chipulumutso cha moyo wathu. Apa, zimandikhudza mtima ndipo mwanjira ina zimandilimbikitsa mfundo yakuti mnyamata wazaka 28 wamvetsa zimenezi, pamene Akristu ambiri, kuphatikizapo ansembe ena, mwina sanamvetsebe mmene anayenera kukhalira.

JAKOV: Ndithu. Ndinamvetsetsa chifukwa Dona Wathu amabwera pachifukwa chomwechi, kutipulumutsa, kutipulumutsa, kupulumutsa miyoyo yathu. Ndiyeno, pamene tadziŵa Mulungu ndi chikondi chake, pamenepo ifenso tingathe kuthandiza Mkazi Wathu kupulumutsa miyoyo yambiri.

ATATE LIVIO: Zoonadi, tiyenera kukhala zida m’manja mwake za chipulumutso chosatha cha miyoyo ya abale athu.

JAKOV: Inde, zida zake, ndithudi.

ATATE LIVIO: Ndiye Dona Wathu akamanena kuti: “Ndikufuna”, kodi amanena motere?

JAKOV: Akunena choncho. Komabe, tiyenera kumvetsetsa kuti, kuti tikhale chitsanzo kwa ena, kuthandiza kupulumutsa miyoyo ina, tiyenera kukhala oyamba kupulumutsidwa, tiyenera kukhala oyamba kuvomereza mauthenga a Mkazi Wathu. Kenako, tiyenera kukumana nawo m'mabanja athu ndikuyesera kutembenuza banja lathu, ana athu ndiyeno china chilichonse, dziko lonse lapansi.

Chofunika kwambiri ndi kusakakamiza aliyense, chifukwa mwatsoka ambiri amamenyera Mulungu, koma Mulungu sali mu mikangano, Mulungu ndi chikondi ndipo tikamalankhula za Mulungu tiyenera kulankhula za iye mwachikondi, popanda kukakamiza aliyense.

ATATE LIVIO: Zoonadi, tiyenera kupereka umboni wathu mosangalala.

JAKOV: Ndithudi, ngakhale mu nthawi zovuta.

ATATE LIVIO: Pambuyo pa mauthenga a pemphero ndi kusala kudya, Kodi Mayi Wathu amapempha chiyani?

JAKOV: Mayi athu akuti atitembenukire.

ATATE LIVIO: Kodi mukuganiza kuti kutembenuka mtima ndi chiyani?

JAKOV: Ndizovuta kulankhula za kutembenuka. Kutembenuka ndikudziwa china chatsopano, kumva mtima wathu kudzazidwa ndi china chatsopano ndi zina zambiri, osachepera umu ndi momwe zinalili kwa ine pamene ndinakumana ndi Yesu.Ndinamudziwa mu mtima mwanga ndipo ndinasintha moyo wanga. Ndadziwa china, chinthu chokongola, ndadziwa chikondi chatsopano, ndadziwa chisangalalo china chomwe sindimachidziwa kale. Uku ndikutembenuka kwanga.

ATATE LIVIO: Ndiye ife amene takhulupirira kale tiyeneranso kutembenuka?

JAKOV: Ndithudi ifenso tiyenera kutembenuka, kutsegula mitima yathu ndi kuvomereza ndi kulandira Yesu.Chofunika kwambiri kwa woyendayenda aliyense ndi kutembenuka, kusintha kwa moyo wa munthu. Tsoka ilo, ambiri akabwera ku Medjugorje, amafunafuna zinthu zoti agule kuti apite nazo kwawo. Amagula rozari kapena madonna oyera, (monga amene analira ku Civitavecchia).

Koma nthawi zonse ndimauza amwendamnjira kuti chinthu chachikulu kwambiri kupita kunyumba kuchokera ku Medjugorje ndi mauthenga a Mayi Wathu. Ichi ndiye chikumbutso chamtengo wapatali chomwe angabweretse. Palibe ntchito kubweretsa kunyumba rozari, madonnas ndi mitanda, ngati ife ndiye osapemphera Rosary Woyera kapena sitigwada konse mu pemphero pamaso pa Mtanda. Ichi ndiye chinthu chofunikira kwambiri: kubweretsa mauthenga a Mayi Wathu. Ichi ndiye chikumbutso chachikulu komanso chokongola kwambiri kuchokera ku Medjugorje.

ATATE LIVIO: Munaphunzira kupemphera kwa ndani pamaso pa Mtanda?

JAKOV: Mayi wathu watipempha nthawi zambiri kuti tipemphere pamaso pa Mtanda. Inde, ndikuganiza kuti tiyenera kuzindikira zomwe tachita, zomwe tikuchitabe, momwe timavutitsira Yesu.

ATATE LIVIO: Chipatso cha kutembenuka mtima ndi mtendere.

JAKOV: Inde, mtendere. Dona wathu, monga tikudziwira, adadziwonetsa ngati Mfumukazi Yamtendere. Kale pa tsiku lachitatu, kudzera mwa Marija, Mayi Wathu paphiri anabwereza katatu "Mtendere" ndipo anatiitanira ife, sindikudziwa kangati mu mauthenga ake, kupempherera mtendere.

ATATE LIVIO: Kodi Mayi Wathu akufuna kulankhula za mtendere wanji?

JAKOV: Pamene Mayi Wathu atiitana kuti tipempherere mtendere, choyamba tiyenera kukhala ndi mtendere m'mitima yathu, chifukwa, ngati tilibe mtendere m'mitima yathu, sitingathe kupempherera mtendere.

ATATE LIVIO: Mungakhale bwanji ndi mtendere mumtima mwanu?

JAKOV: Kukhala ndi Yesu ndikupempha zikomo kwa Yesu, monga tanenera kale pokamba za pemphero la ana, pamene ana amapemphera osalakwa, aliyense ndi mawu ake. Ndinanena kale kuti pemphero siliri la "Atate Wathu", "Tikuoneni Mariya" ndi "Ulemerero ukhale kwa Atate". Pemphero lathu ndilonso kucheza kwathu ndi Mulungu, tiyeni tipemphe kwa Mulungu mtendere wa mumtima mwathu, tizimupempha kuti amumve mumtima mwathu, chifukwa Yesu yekha ndi amene amabweretsa mtendere. Kudzera mwa iye yekha tingadziŵe mtendere m’mitima yathu.

ATATE LIVIO: Chotero Jakov, ngati munthu sabwerera kwa Mulungu, sangakhale ndi mtendere. Popanda kutembenuka kulibe mtendere weniweni, umene umachokera kwa Mulungu ndipo umapereka chisangalalo chochuluka.

JAKOV: Ndithu. Zili choncho. Ngati tikufuna kupempherera mtendere padziko lapansi, choyamba tiyenera kukhala ndi mtendere mwa ife eni, kenako mtendere m’mabanja athu, kenako n’kupempherera mtendere m’dzikoli. Ndipo ponena za mtendere wapadziko lonse, tonsefe timadziŵa chimene dziko lapansi lifunikira kaamba ka mtendere, ndi chirichonse chimene chimachitika tsiku ndi tsiku. Komabe, monga Mayi Wathu wanena nthawi zambiri, mutha kukwaniritsa chilichonse ndi pemphero lanu komanso kusala kudya. Mukhozanso kuletsa nkhondo. Ichi ndi chinthu chokha chomwe tingachite.

ATATE LIVIO: Mvetserani Jakov, mukuganiza bwanji kuti Mayi Wathu wakhala nthawi yayitali chonchi? N’chifukwa chiyani waimabe kwa nthawi yaitali chonchi?

JAKOV: Sindinadzifunsepo funso ili ndipo ndimamva chisoni ndikafunsidwa. Nthawi zonse ndimalankhula kwa Mayi Wathu ndi mawu awa: "Zikomo Mayi Wathu chifukwa chokhala nafe nthawi yayitali ndikukuthokozani chifukwa ndi chisomo chachikulu chomwe tingakhale nacho".

ATATE LIVIO: Mosakayikira ndi chisomo chachikulu.

JAKOV: Ndi chisomo chachikulu chomwe chapatsidwa kwa ife ndipo kwenikweni ndimamva chisoni akamandifunsa funso ili. Tiyenera kuthokoza Mulungu ndikumupempha kuti Mayi Wathu akadali nafe kwa nthawi yayitali.

ATATE LIVIO: N’kwachibadwa kuti kuloŵerera kwatsopano koteroko, limodzi ndi kuyamikira, kumadzutsanso chidwi. Nthawi zina ndimadabwa ngati izi sizichitika chifukwa dziko likufunika thandizo la Mayi Wathu.

JAKOV: Inde, kwenikweni. Ngati tiyang'ana zomwe zimachitika: zivomezi, nkhondo, kulekana, mankhwala osokoneza bongo, kuchotsa mimba, tikuwona kuti mwina zinthu izi sizinachitikepo monga lero ndipo ndikuganiza kuti dziko lapansi silinasowepo Yesu monga likuchitira tsopano. Dona Wathu adabwera pazifukwa izi ndipo amakhalabe pazifukwa izi. Tiyenera kuthokoza Mulungu, chifukwa amamutumiza kuti adzatipatsenso mwayi woti titembenuke.

ATATE LIVIO: Tiyeni tiwone pang'ono za tsogolo la Jakov. Poyang'ana zam'tsogolo, Mayi Wathu ali ndi mawu omwe amatsegula mtima wa chiyembekezo. M’mauthenga a pa 25 mweziwo, iye ananena kuti akufuna kumanga nafe dziko latsopano lamtendere ndipo ananena kuti akutopa kwambiri pogwira ntchito imeneyi. Kodi mukuganiza kuti akwanitsa?

JAKOV: Ndi Mulungu zonse ndizotheka.

ATATE LIVIO: Ndi kuyankha kwauvangeli kwambiri!

JAKOV: Ndi Mulungu zonse ndizotheka, koma zimadaliranso ife. Chinthu chimodzi nthawi zonse chimabwera m'maganizo. Mukudziwa kuti ku Bosnia ndi Herzegovina, nkhondo isanayambe, Mayi Wathu anatipempha kwa zaka khumi kuti tipempherere mtendere.

ATATE LIVIO: Kuyambira pa June 26, 1981, tsiku limene Mayi Wathu akulira anapereka uthenga wamtendere kwa Marija, mpaka pa June 26, 1991, tsiku limene nkhondo inayambika, ndi zaka khumi ndendende.

JAKOV: Kwa zaka zambiri anthu ankadabwa chifukwa chake kudera nkhaŵa mtendere kumeneku. Koma nkhondo itayamba, adati: “N’chifukwa chake watiitana”. Koma zinali kwa ife kuti nkhondoyo sinayambike. Mayi wathu akutipempha kuti timuthandize kusintha zonsezi.

ATATE LIVIO: Tiyenera kuchita mbali yathu.

JAKOV: Koma sitiyenera kudikirira mpaka mphindi yomaliza ndikuti: "Ndichifukwa chake Dona Wathu adatiyitana". Ndikuganiza kuti ngakhale lero, mwatsoka, ambiri aife tikudabwa zomwe zidzachitike m'tsogolo, ndani amadziwa zilango zomwe Mulungu adzatipatse ndi zinthu monga choncho ...

ATATE LIVIO: Kodi Mayi Wathu analankhulapo za kutha kwa dziko?

JAKOV: Ayi, ngakhale masiku atatu amdima ndipo simuyenera kukonzekera chakudya kapena makandulo. Ena amandifunsa ngati ndimaona kuti kusunga zinsinsi n’kovuta. Koma, ine ndikuganiza kuti munthu aliyense amene wadziwa Mulungu, amene wazindikira chikondi chake ndi amene ananyamula Yesu mu mtima mwake, sayenera kuchita mantha chilichonse ndipo ayenera kukhala wokonzeka mphindi iliyonse ya moyo wake kwa Mulungu.

ATATE LIVIO: Ngati Mulungu ali nafe, sitiyenera kuopa chilichonse, makamaka kukumana naye.

JAKOV: Mulungu akhoza kutitcha mphindi iliyonse ya moyo wathu.

ATATE LIVIO: Zedi!

JAKOV: Sitiyenera kuyembekezera zaka khumi kapena zisanu.

ATATE LIVIO: Mwinanso mawa.

JAKOV: Tiyenera kukhala okonzeka kwa iye nthawi zonse.