Marija waku Medjugorje: Dona Wathu adatiwuza izi m'mauthenga ake ...

MB: Mayi Pavlovic, tiyeni tiyambe ndi zomvetsa chisoni zomwe zachitika miyezi yapitayi. Munali kuti pamene Two Towers ku New York anawonongedwa?

Marija.: Ndinali ndikuchokera ku America kumene ndinapita kukachita msonkhano. Ndili ndi ine ndinali ndi mtolankhani wa ku New York, Mkatolika, yemwe anandiuza kuti: masoka amenewa amachitika kutidzutsa, kutibweretsa ife kufupi ndi Mulungu. Ndinamuuza kuti: Ndiwe woopsa kwambiri, osawona zakuda.

MB:Kodi simukuda nkhawa?

Marija.: Ndikudziwa kuti Mayi Wathu amatipatsa chiyembekezo nthawi zonse. Pa June 26, 1981, m’masomphenya ake achitatu, analira ndi kupempha kupempherera mtendere. Anandiuza (tsiku limenelo adawonekera kwa Marija yekha, ed) kuti ndi pemphero ndi kusala nkhondo zikhoza kupewedwa.

MB: Panthawiyo palibe aliyense wa inu ku Yugoslavia amene ankaganizira za nkhondo?

Maria: Koma ayi! Nkhondo yanji? Panali patatha chaka chimodzi kuchokera pamene Tito anamwalira. Chikomyunizimu chinali champhamvu, zinthu zinali pansi pa ulamuliro. Palibe amene akanaganiza kuti ku Balkan kudzakhala nkhondo.

MB: Ndiye unali uthenga wosamvetsetseka kwa inu?

Marija: Zosamvetsetseka. Ndinamvetsetsa izi patapita zaka khumi. Pa June 25, 1991, pa tsiku lakhumi la kuwonekera koyamba kwa Medjugorje (loyamba liri pa June 24, 1981, koma 25 ndi tsiku loyamba kuwonekera kwa onse masomphenya asanu ndi limodzi, ed), Croatia ndi Slovenia adalengeza kulekana ndi Yugoslavia Federation. Ndipo tsiku lotsatira, June 26, zaka khumi ndendende pambuyo pa kuwonekera kuja komwe Dona Wathu analira ndikundiuza kuti ndipempherere mtendere, gulu lankhondo laku Serbia linalanda Slovenia.

MB: Zaka XNUMX m’mbuyomo, mukamakamba za nkhondo yomwe ingachitike, ankaganiza kuti mwapenga?

Marija: Ndikuganiza kuti palibe aliyense ngati ife amasomphenya asanu ndi mmodzi amene anachezeredwapo ndi madokotala ambiri, akatswiri amisala, akatswiri a zaumulungu. Tachita mayeso onse otheka komanso otheka. Iwo ankatifunsa ngakhale atatsirikidwa.

MB: Panalinso anthu omwe si a Katolika pakati pa asing’anga amene anakuchezerani?

Maria: Inde. Madokotala onse oyambirira sanali Akatolika. Mmodzi anali Dr. Dzuda, wachikominisi ndi Msilamu, wodziŵika ku Yugoslavia yonse. Atatichezera anati: “Anyamatawa ndi odekha, anzeru, achibadwa. Amisala ndi amene anawabweretsa kuno”.

MB: Kodi mayesowa adangochitika mu 1981 kapena adapitilira?

Marija: Anapitirizabe mpaka chaka chatha.

MB: Ndi ma psychologists angati akadzakuchezerani?

Marija: sindikudziwa… (akuseka, mkonzi). Ife owonera nthawi zina timaseka atolankhani akafika ku Medjugorje ndikutifunsa: kodi simukudwala misala? Tikuyankha: mukakhala ndi zikalata zosonyeza kuti ndinu oganiza bwino monga momwe timachitira, bwererani kuno tikambirane.

MB: Kodi alipo amene akuganiza kuti masomphenyawa ndi olosera?

Marija: Ayi, n’zosatheka. Kuyerekezera zinthu m'maganizo ndizochitika payekha, osati gulu. Ndipo ndife asanu ndi mmodzi. Tithokoze Mulungu, Mayi Wathu watiyitana
mu XNUMX.

MB: Munamva bwanji mutaona kuti manyuzipepala achikatolika ngati Yesu akukuukirani?

Marija: Zinandidabwitsa kwambiri kuona kuti mtolankhani amalemba zinthu zina popanda kudziŵa, kuzama, kukumana ndi aliyense wa ife. Ndipo komabe ndili ku Monza, samayenera kuchita ma kilomita chikwi.

MB: Koma muyenera kuti mumayembekezera kuti si onse amene angakhulupirire, sichoncho?

Marija: N’zoona kuti si zachilendo kuti aliyense azikhulupirira kapena ayi. Koma kuchokera kwa mtolankhani wina wachikatolika, chifukwa cha kusamala kwa Tchalitchi, sindikanayembekezera mkhalidwe wotero.

MB: Mpingo sunazindikirebe masomphenyawo. Kodi ili ndi vuto lanu?

Marija: Ayi, chifukwa Tchalitchi chakhala chimachita zinthu motere. Malingana ngati maonekedwe akupitirira, sangayankhe.

MB: Kodi chimodzi mwamawonekedwe anu atsiku ndi tsiku chimakhala nthawi yayitali bwanji?

Marija: Zisanu, mphindi zisanu ndi chimodzi. Kuwoneka kotalika kwambiri kunatenga maola awiri.

MB: Kodi nthawi zonse mumawona "chimodzimodzi"?
Marija: Nthawi zonse n’chimodzimodzi. Monga munthu wamba amene amalankhula nane, ndipo tikhoza ngakhale kukhudza.

MB: Ambiri amatsutsa: okhulupirika aku Medjugorje amatsatira mauthenga omwe mumawafotokozera kuposa Malemba Opatulika.

Marija: Koma Mayi Wathu m’mauthenga ake anatiuza izi: “Ikani Malemba Opatulika powonekera m’nyumba zanu, ndi kuwaŵerenga tsiku ndi tsiku”. Amatiuzanso kuti timalambira Mayi Wathu osati Mulungu.” Izinso n’zosamveka: Mayi wathu sachita chilichonse koma kutiuza kuti tiziika Mulungu patsogolo m’moyo wathu. Ndipo amatiuza kuti tikhale mu Mpingo, m’maparishi. Iwo omwe abwerera kuchokera ku Medjugorje sakhala mtumwi wa Medjugorje: amakhala mzati wa ma parishi.

MB: Zimatsutsidwanso kuti mauthenga a Mayi Wathu omwe mumawatchula amangobwerezabwereza: pempherani, mwachangu.

Marija: Zikuoneka kuti anatipeza tili ouma mutu. Mwachiwonekere akufuna kutidzutsa, chifukwa lero timapemphera pang'ono, ndipo m'moyo sitiyika Mulungu patsogolo, koma zinthu zina: ntchito, ndalama ...

MB: Palibe amene anakhala wansembe kapena sisitere. Asanu a inu munakwatiwa. Kodi zimenezi mwina zikutanthauza kuti masiku ano kuli kofunika kupanga mabanja achikristu?

Marija: Kwa zaka zambiri ndinkaganiza kuti ndidzakhala sisitere. Ndinali nditayamba kupita ku nyumba ya masisitere, chikhumbo chofuna kulowamo chinali champhamvu kwambiri. Koma mkulu wa amayi anandiuza kuti: Marija, ngati ufuna kubwera, walandiridwa; koma ngati bishopu asankha kuti musalankhulenso za Medjugorje, muyenera kumvera. Panthawi imeneyo ndinayamba kuganiza kuti mwina ntchito yanga inali yochitira umboni zimene ndaziona ndi kuzimva, ndiponso kuti ndikanatha kufunafuna njira ya chiyero ngakhale kunja kwa nyumba ya masisitere.

MB: Kodi chiyero ndi chiyani kwa inu?

Marija: Kukhala moyo wanga watsiku ndi tsiku bwino. Kukhala mayi wabwino, ndi mkazi wabwino.

MB: Mayi Pavlovic, tinganene kuti simuyenera kukhulupirira: mukudziwa. Kodi mudakali ndi mantha?

Marija: Pali mantha nthawi zonse. Koma ndikhoza kulingalira. Ndimati: Ndiyamika Mulungu, ndili ndi chikhulupiriro. Ndipo ndikudziwa kuti Dona Wathu nthawi zonse amatithandiza panthawi zovuta.

MB: Kodi ino ndi nthawi yovuta?

Marija: Sindikuganiza choncho. Ndikuona kuti dziko likuvutika ndi zinthu zambiri: nkhondo, matenda, njala. Koma ndikuwonanso kuti Mulungu akutipatsa chithandizo chambiri chodabwitsa, monga kuwonekera kwa tsiku ndi tsiku kwa ine, Vicka ndi Ivan. Ndipo ndikudziwa kuti pemphero lingathe kuchita chilichonse. Pamene, pambuyo pa maonekedwe oyambirira, tinanena kuti Dona Wathu adatiitanira kupemphera rosary tsiku lililonse ndikusala kudya, zinkawoneka kwa ife kuti tinali, tinganene?, Akale (kuseka, ed): ngakhale apa rosary unali mwambo umene unalowedwa m'malo ndi mibadwo ingapo. Komabe nkhondo itayamba tidamvetsetsa chifukwa chomwe Mayi Wathu adatiuza kuti tipempherere mtendere. Ndipo tawona, mwachitsanzo, kuti ku Split, komwe bishopu wamkulu adalandira uthenga wa Medjugorje ndipo adapangitsa anthu kupempherera mtendere, nkhondo siinafike.
Kwa ine ndi chozizwitsa, anatero bishopu wamkulu. Wina akuti: Kodi rosary ingachite chiyani? Palibe. Koma madzulo aliwonse, ndi ana, timanena rosary kwa anthu osauka omwe akumwalira ku Afghanistan, ndi kwa akufa ku New York ndi Washington. Ndipo ndimakhulupirira mphamvu ya pemphero.

MB: Kodi uwu ndi mtima wa uthenga wa Medjugorje? Kodi mukuonanso kufunika kwa pemphero?

Marija: Inde, koma osati zokhazo. Mayi athu amatiuzanso kuti nkhondo ili mu mtima mwanga ngati ndilibe Mulungu, chifukwa mtendere umapezeka mwa Mulungu. Imatiuzanso kuti nkhondo si malo okhawo omwe amaponyedwa mabomba, komanso, mwachitsanzo, m'mabanja akugwa. Amatiuza kuti tizipita ku Misa, kupita ku kuulula machimo, kusankha wotsogolera wauzimu, kusintha miyoyo yathu, kukonda mnansi wathu. Ndipo limatisonyeza bwino lomwe chimene chiri uchimo, chifukwa chakuti dziko lamakono lasiya kuzindikira chimene chiri chabwino ndi chimene chiri choipa. Ndikuganiza, mwachitsanzo, amayi angati omwe amachotsa mimba osazindikira zomwe akuchita, chifukwa chikhalidwe chamasiku ano chimawapangitsa kukhulupirira kuti sichinthu choipa.

MB: Masiku ano anthu ambiri amakhulupirira kuti nkhondo yapadziko lonse yatsala pang’ono kugwa.

Marija: Ndikunena kuti Mayi Wathu amatipatsa mwayi wokhala ndi dziko labwino. Mwachitsanzo, anauza Mirjana kuti saopa kukhala ndi ana ambiri. Sadanene kuti: musakhale ndi ana chifukwa nkhondo idzabwera. Anatiuza kuti ngati titayamba kusintha pa zinthu zazing’ono za tsiku ndi tsiku, dziko lonse lidzakhala labwino.

MB: Ambiri akuopa Chisilamu. Kodi ndi chipembedzo chaukali?

Marija: Ndinakhala m’dziko limene linali pansi pa ulamuliro wa Ottoman kwa zaka zambiri. Ndipo ngakhale m'zaka khumi zapitazi chiwonongeko chachikulu chomwe ife a Croatia sitinavutike ndi Aserbia, koma kuchokera kwa Asilamu. Ndikhozanso kuganiza kuti zomwe zikuchitika masiku ano zitha kutitsegula maso ku zoopsa zina za Islam. Koma sindikufuna kuwonjezera mafuta pamoto. Ine sindiri wa nkhondo zachipembedzo. Dona Wathu akutiuza kuti ndiye mayi wa onse, popanda kusiyanitsa. Ndipo monga wamasomphenya ndimati: sitiyenera kuopa chilichonse, chifukwa Mulungu amatsogolera mbiriyakale nthawi zonse. Masiku anonso.