Mirjana waku Medjugorje "Dona Wathu wandipangitsa kuti ndione kumwamba"

DP: Akugawira zinsinsi khumi ngati Ivanka koma a Madonna adati kwa iye: udzaulula zinsinsi kudzera mwa wansembe. Kodi tiyenera kuchita bwanji ndi zinsinsi izi?
M: Ngakhale polankhula zinsinsi izi nditha kunena kuti Dona Wathuyu ali ndi nkhawa kwambiri ndi omwe sakhulupirira, chifukwa akunena kuti sakudziwa zomwe zidzawachitike akamwalira. Amatiuza kuti timakhulupirira, akuti kudziko lonse lapansi, kuti mumve Mulungu ngati Atate wathu ndipo Iye monga amayi athu; komanso osawopa chilichonse cholakwika. Ndipo chifukwa cha ichi nthawi zonse mumalimbikitsa kupempherera osakhulupirira: izi ndizomwe ndinganene zinsinsi. Kupatula kuti ndiyenera kuuza wansembe masiku khumi chinsinsi choyamba; titatha tonse awirife kusala masiku XNUMX mkate ndi madzi ndi masiku atatu chinsinsi chisanayambe adzauza dziko lonse zomwe zidzachitike ndi kuti. Momwemonso ndi zinsinsi zonse.

DP: Mukunena kamodzi, osati zonse nthawi imodzi?
M: Inde, imodzi.

DP: Zikuwoneka kuti P. Tomislav adanena kuti zinsinsi zimamangidwa ngati unyolo ...
M: Ayi, ayi, ansembe ndi ena amalankhula izi, koma sindinganene chilichonse. Inde kapena ayi, kapena motani .. Ndingonena kuti tiyenera kupemphera, osatinso kanthu. Kupemphera kokha ndi mtima ndikofunika. Kupemphera ndi banja.

DP: Mukufuna kupemphela chiyani? Mumanena izi mokoma kwambiri ...

M: Mkazi wathu samafunsa zambiri. Mukungonena kuti chilichonse chomwe mumapemphera, mumapemphera ndi mtima wanu ndipo izi zokha ndizofunikira. Pakadali pano mumapempha mapemphero am'banja, chifukwa achinyamata ambiri sapita kutchalitchi, safuna kumva chilichonse chokhudza Mulungu, koma mukuganiza kuti ndi tchimo la makolo, chifukwa ana ayenera kukula m'chikhulupiriro. Chifukwa ana amachita zomwe amawona makolo awo akuchita ndipo pazifukwa izi makolo ayenera kupemphera ndi ana awo; kuti amayamba ali aang'ono, osati ali ndi zaka 20 kapena 30. Ndachedwa kwambiri. Pambuyo pake, ali ndi zaka 30, muyenera kungowapempherera.

DP: Pano tili ndi achinyamata, palinso maseminare omwe akukhala ansembe, amishon ...
M: Mayi athu amafunsa kuti Rosary ipemphereredwe tsiku lililonse. Mukunena kuti sizovuta kudziwa, kuti Mulungu samapempha zambiri: kuti timapemphera Rosary, kuti timapita kutchalitchi, kuti timadzipereka tsiku la Mulungu ndipo timasala kudya. Kwa Madonna kusala kudya ndi mkate ndi madzi, palibe. Izi ndi zomwe Mulungu amafunsa.

DP: Ndipo ndi pempheroli ndi kusala kudya titha kuyimitsanso masoka achilengedwe ndi nkhondo ... Kwa owonera sakhala ofanana. Zomwe Mirjana sanasinthe.
M: Kwa ife zisanu ndi chimodzi (mpenyi) zinsinsi sizofanana chifukwa sitilankhula zinsinsi, koma timamvetsetsa kuti zinsinsi zathu sizofanana. Pachifukwa ichi, mwachitsanzo, Vicka akuti munthu amatha kusintha zinsinsi ndi mapemphero ndikusala kudya, koma zanga sizingasinthidwe.

DP: Zinsinsi zomwe mwapatsidwa sizingasinthidwe?
M: Ayi, pokhapokha Mkazi Wathu atandipatsa chinsinsi chachisanu ndi chiwiri pomwe adandionetsa gawo la chinsinsi chachisanu ndi chiwiricho. Ichi ndichifukwa chake mudanena kuti mwayesa kusintha, koma muyenera kupemphera kwa Yesu, Mulungu, amenenso adapemphera koma timafunikiranso kupemphera. Tidapemphera kwambiri ndipo nthawi ina, atabwera, adandiuza kuti gawo lino lasintha koma kuti sizingatheke kusintha zinsinsi, ngakhale zina zomwe ndili nazo.

DP: Muzochita, zinsinsi kapena zina mwa izo, monga za Fatima, sizinthu zokongola. Pano, koma unakwatirana, Ivanka nayenso adakwatirana. Kwa ife ndi chifukwa cha chiyembekezo: ngati inu mutakwatirana pali chiyembekezo mwa inu. Ngati zinsinsi zina ndizoyipa, mukutanthauza kuti padzakhala kuvutika pakati pa dziko lapansi. Komabe…
M: Tawonani, ine ndi Ivanka timakhulupirira kwambiri Mulungu ndipo tili otsimikiza kuti Mulungu samachita zoyipa. Mukumvetsetsa, zinthu zonse taziika m'manja mwa Mulungu, ndizo chilichonse, sindingatinso china.

DP: Sitikuopa kufa ngati tidzapita kumwamba ...
M: Inde, onani kuti sizovuta kuti wokhulupirira afe, chifukwa mumapita kwa Mulungu, komwe mumamva bwino.

DP: Kodi mwawona Kumwamba?
M: Ndinangowona masekondi awiri ndi atatu okha kumwamba ndi Purgatory.

DP: (....) Mukuganiza bwanji za kumwamba?
M: Pali nkhope za anthu, mumawona kuti ali ndi chilichonse, kuunika, kukhutira. Izi zidandikhudza kwambiri. Ndikatseka maso ndimaona momwe amasangalalira. Samawona izi padziko lapansi ... ali ndi nkhope ina. Ku Purgatory ndidawona chilichonse choyera, monga ku Arabia.

DP: Monga m'chipululu?
M: Inde, ndaona kuti anthu amavutika ndi china chake, matupi. Ndaziwona kuti akuvutika, koma sindinawone zomwe akuvutika nazo.

DP: Kodi anthu akumwamba ndi achichepere, kapena okalamba, ndi ana?
M: Ndati ndikuwona masekondi awiri kapena atatu okha, koma ndawona kuti anthu ali ndi zaka pafupifupi 30 mpaka 35. Sindinawone ambiri, ochepa. Koma ndikuganiza kuti ali ndi zaka 30-35.

DP: (….) Tiuzeni za msonkhano wa Epulo 2 ndi a Madonna
M: Tinapemphera kwa maola angapo limodzi kwa osakhulupirira.

DP: Idafika nthawi yanji?
M: M'mbuyomu, miyezi iwiri iliyonse iye amabwera 11 nthawi yamadzulo, mpaka 3-4 m'mawa. M'malo mwake, pa Epulo 2nd adabwera pa 14 pm. Adakhala mpaka 45 Ndi nthawi yoyamba kuti ubwere masanawa. Ndinali ndekha mnyumbamo ndipo ndinamvanso zofanana ndizamawa momwe amadzabwera. Ndinkawona kuti ndikuyamba thukuta, manjenje, ndikupemphera. Ndipo nditayamba kupemphera, ndinkaona kuti iyenso amapemphera nane nthawi yomweyo. Sitinkalankhula za chilichonse, timangopempherera osakhulupirira.

DP: Mwamuwona?
Nthawi ino ndinangomva.

DP: Nthawi ina, mudandiuza: Mayi athu adandiuza kuti ndinene zina.
M: Inde, za osakhulupirira. Tikamalankhula ndi osakhulupirira sizabwino kunena kuti: bwanji osapita kutchalitchi? Muyenera kupita kutchalitchi, muyenera kupemphera ... Ndikofunikira m'malo mwake kuti awone kudzera m'moyo wathu kuti kuli Mulungu, kuti pali Mkazi wathu, yemwe tiyenera kupemphera. Tiyenera kupereka chitsanzo, osati kuti timalankhula nthawi zonse.

DP: Chifukwa chake zokambirana sizofunikira, kodi mukufuna chitsanzo?
M: Zitsanzo chabe.

DP: Kodi pemphero ndi kudzipereka, pemphero komanso kusala kudya zida ziwiri zamphamvu kwambiri zothandizira kapena kodi pemphero ndi lokwanira?
M: Onsewa amapitira limodzi chifukwa pemphero ndi chinthu chokongola, koma kusala kudya ndichinthu chochepa chomwe tingapereke kwa Mulungu, ndi mtanda wawung'ono womwe thupi lathu limapangira Mulungu. (Mir Mir atatha adalimbikitsa pemphelo la mizimu ya ku Purgatory ...)

DP: Tsopano mwapanga banja, munakwatirana. Dona wathu akuti: chino ndi chaka cha banja. Kodi inu ndi amuna anu mukusintha bwanji?

M: Tsopano tiyeni tipemphere limodzi. Ku Lent tinapempheranso pang'ono, masiku abwinobwino timapemphera Rosary ndi Tikuoneni asanu ndi awiri, Gloria, chifukwa Mayi athu adati amakonda kwambiri pemphelo ili. Tsiku lililonse timapemphera izi; Lachitatu ndi Lachisanu timasala, timapatsa Akhristu onse amene amakhulupirira Mulungu.