Umboni uIvan uthetha ngeMedjugorje "ngaphezulu kweminyaka engamashumi amathathu yeembonakalo"
"Mama kwenzeka njani ukuba umhle kangaka?" U-Ivan Dragicevic oselula, omnye weemboni zaseMedjugorje, wayewugcine lo mbuzo kangangexesha elithile de, ngexesha lokubonakala, emangalisiwe yimincili, wayengasakwazi ukumelana nokuwubuza. Kwaye uNenekazi ngewayemphendule: "Ndimhle kuba ndithanda ... uthando kwaye nawe uya kuba mhle". Ekhumbula isiqendu, namhlanje u-Ivan usamangaliswa: "Andiyazi ukuba ndifumene njani isibindi sokuthetha nawe ngolu hlobo, kuba ngelo xesha ndandisaba yonke into".
U-Ivan ngomnye wababoneleli abathandathu baseMedjugorje, omnye wabathathu abathi "basabona" iNenekazi lethu yonke imihla, iminyaka engama-30 emva kokuqala kwemibono. Elona lide kwimbali, ukususela ngoJuni 24, 1981. Umntu unokukholelwa okanye akayikholelwa, kodwa ngokuqinisekileyo sijongene nesiganeko esichukumisayo apho - nokuba ayikaqatshelwa ngokusemthethweni yiCawa - itsalela izigidi zabahambi ngezonqulo kwingcwele yaseHerzegovina. minyaka le (eyayisakuba yiYugoslavia).
U-Ivan namhlanje akasenakho ukungafuni kwexesha elidlulileyo. Ngo-1993 watshata no-American Laureen Murphy, uNkosazana Massacchussets 1990, awayenaye nabantwana abane; kwaye ukusukela ngoko wahlula ixesha lakhe phakathi kweBoston kunye neMedjugorje, apho inokufumaneka khona ukusuka ngoMeyi ukuya kuSeptemba. Ngaphandle kokuzingisa kwakhe ukuba neentloni, uhamba kakhulu, ukuya kutsho eOstreliya naseNew Zealand, ukubalisa amava akhe angaqhelekanga. Ngobunzima sakwazi ukumenza abe nothotho lwemibuzo. Nazi iimpendulo zakhe, esizinikayo njengoko bezisiza kuthi, kwinto ezibonakalisa njengodliwano-ndlebe olukhethekileyo nolukhethekileyo, ubuso ngobuso nemfihlakalo.
UVincent Sansonetti
U-Ivan, uthi ulibonile iNenekazi Lethu yonke imihla ukusukela ngo-1981… Ngaba utshintshile kule minyaka ingama-30?
«I-Gospa (i-Madonna ngesiCroatia, ed.) Ihlala inguye ngokwakhe: intombazana ebusheni bakhe, kodwa ngobunzulu bombono omenza abe ngumfazi okhulileyo emehlweni am. Unedyasi engwevu kunye neqhiya emhlophe kwaye, ngeeholide, njengeKrisimesi nePasika, unxiba imiwunduzo yegolide. Amehlo abhlowu kwaye izidlele zitshonile zipinki. Entloko unesithsaba seenkwenkwezi ezilishumi elinambini iinyawo zakhe zihleli kwilifu elimxhoma emhlabeni, ukuze asikhumbuze ukuba usisidalwa saseZulwini kwaye umsulwa. Kodwa andikwazi ukunxibelelana nawe ngokubaluleka kwayo, ukuhambisa indlela entle ngayo, indlela ephila ngayo."
Uziva njani xa "uyibona"? Zithini iimvakalelo zakho?
«Ndikufumanisa kunzima ukuchaza iimvakalelo zam ... yonke imihla into engalinganiyo emhlabeni ibonakala phambi kwam. INtombi Enyulu ngokwayo liZulu. Ubukho bakhe bukunika uvuyo olunjalo, bukhanya ngawe ngokukhanya okunjalo! Kodwa umongo oyingqongileyo nawo uphezulu. Ngamanye amaxesha undibonisa abantu abonwabileyo ngasemva, okanye iingelosi ezikhanyayo kwindawo engabonakaliyo egcwele iintyatyambo.
Uphila njani ixesha lokuvela?
"Ndihlala yonke imzuzu yosuku ndilinde ukuba uze. Kwaye xa ukubonakala kuphelile, kunzima ukuba ndilungelelanise kwakhona, kuba akukho nto ehlabathini, kubugcisa okanye kwindalo, inaloo mibala, ezo ziqholo, kwaye ifikelela kwimfezeko enjalo yemvisiswano ».
Yintoni iNenekazi Lethu kuwe: umhlobo, udade…?
"Nokuba ndimbona emncinci kakhulu, ndiziva njengoMama. Umama wam wasemhlabeni wandinyamekela de kwangaloo mini yasePodbrdo [ngoJuni 24, 1981, xa iNtombi Enyulu yavela okokuqala, ed], kwandula ke kwaba lithuba leGospa, kwinyathelo lakhe. Bobabini ngoomama abagqwesileyo, kuba bandifundise ngenzondelelo into eyinyani. Kodwa okoko ndaluvayo uthando lweNenekazi lethu, ndiye ndaqonda ukuba iintsikelelo zakhe, imithandazo yakhe, iingcebiso zakhe zisondlo kwaye zisisiseko kum nosapho lwam. Akukho nto imnandi kwaye icaphukisa ngakumbi xa ejika kum esithi: "Nyana othandekayo!". Leyokuqala ithi, singabantwana bakaThixo, zintanda. Singabantwana beNkosikazi yoXolo, egcwalisa indlela esuka eZulwini isiya emhlabeni ngenxa yokuba esithanda. Kwaye, esithanda, ufuna ukusikhokela, kuba uyayazi eyona nto siyidingayo.”
Lenza ntoni kwaye lithini iNenekazi lethu ngexesha leentlanganiso zenu?
“Ngaphezu kweento zonke, thandazani, nisibonisa indlela yokuthetha noThixo, nomthandazo ungowokungxengxeza, nokuba kukuthanda ukuthanda, nokucela, nokuba ndinibabale, nokuba ngumbulelo, nokuba ngowokudumisa. Ngamanye amaxesha incoko iba yeyobuqu: kule meko undibonisa ngobunono apho ndiphazame khona; kwaye ngokwenza njalo, ndiqhubela phambili ukukhula kwam ngokwasemoyeni. Ukuba kukho abanye abantu kulo mbono, bathandazele, ngokukodwa abagulayo, ababingeleli nabangcwalisiweyo. "
Kutheni ibonakala ixesha elide kangaka?
“Noobhishophu bakhe bandibuza lo mbuzo. Kukho abo bathi imiyalezo Virgin iphindaphindeka kwaye abo baphikisa ukuba ikholwa akafuni imbonakalo, kuba iinyaniso zokholo kunye nezinto ezifunekayo ukuze usindiso sele ziqulethwe eBhayibhileni, kwiiSakramente kunye neCawa. Kodwa iGospa iphendula ngomnye umbuzo: “Inyaniso, yonke into sele inikwe; kodwa ngaba uphila ngenene iZibhalo Ezingcwele, ngaba uyakufumana ukuhlangana noYesu ophilayo kuMthendeleko?” Ngokuqinisekileyo izigidimi zakhe zezobuvangeli; ingxaki kukuba asiphili ivangeli. Uthetha ulwimi olulula, olufikelelekayo kwaye uphindaphinda ngothando olungenamda, ukuze kucace ukuba ufuna ukufikelela kuwo wonke umntu. Uziphatha njengomama xa abantwana bakhe bengafundi okanye ebabona belahleka phakathi kwabantu ababi… “Uthetha kakhulu, kodwa awuphili”. Ukholo asiyontetho intle, kodwa bubomi benyama, kwaye iNenekazi Lethu liyasicebisa: “Yiba ngumqondiso ophilayo; thandazani, ukuze azaliseke amacebo kaThixo, okulunge kuni, kwabo bamthandayo, ehlabathini lonke.” Sifuna bonke abangcwele».
Ngaba kukho intlanganiso nawe oyikhumbula ngokukhethekileyo?
«Xa iKrisimesi, kwaye iNtombikazi ityelela intsapho yam ngokuzibonakalisa kunye neyakhe: ibonise iSt Joseph kunye noYesu omncinci ezandleni zakhe. Kwaye ke andinakuze ndiyilibale into eyenzekayo ngo-Aprili 2, 2005. UJohn Paul II wayesandul 'ukufa xa efika ekhazimulayo, ngexesha lokubonakala, kwiingubo ezimhlophe kunye negolide».
Amalungu osapho lwakho azifumana njani ezi "appointments" zakho zemihla ngemihla?
“Xa ndisekhaya, intsapho yam isoloko isiya kwimiboniso. Masimlinde kunye uMama wasezulwini ngokucengceleza iRosari okanye ngokucamngca ngeZibhalo okanye ngokuthandaza. Emva kokuvela, sibulela kunye. Kwaye ndixela into eyenziwa nguMama wethu kwaye wathi."
Ngaba sifanele sizoyike iimfihlelo ezilishumi ezavakaliswa nguMariya? Lindela isohlwayo?
“Imiqondiso yamaxesha ibonisa ukuba ihlabathi lizaliswe ziinkathazo. Kwaye iimfihlo zeMedjugorje ngokuqinisekileyo zikwaqulethe iziprofeto zeziganeko ezibuhlungu. Noko ke, umzekelo, imfihlelo yesixhenxe iye yathotywa yimithandazo. Kwaye ngalo lonke ixesha ubonakala kum, ndiyalibona ithemba kunye nokukhanya kweZulu ekujongeni kwakho. Inenekazi lethu alizi ukuza kusohlwaya, ukusigxeka, kodwa ngenxa yokuba sisebenzisa kakuhle inkululeko, ukuseka kwakhona incoko kunye nobudlelwane be-filial kunye noMdali wayo yonke into. Ayisiyonto yanto ithile ukuba aziveze eMedjugorje njengoKumkanikazi woXolo kwaye amazwi akhe okuqala athi: “Bantwana abathandekayo, kwanga kungabakho uxolo phakathi komntu noThixo naphakathi kwabantu”».
URichard Caniato
Umthombo: http://www.oggi.it/focus/attualita/2011/06/22/medjugorje-trentanni-di-apparizioni-interview-exclusive-al-veggente-ivan/