U-Ivan waseMedjugorje uchaza ukukhanya okuza ngexesha lokusebenza kukaMadonna

U-Ivan, iintsuku ezimnandi zaseMedjugorje ziphelile. Uyifumene njani le mibhiyozo?
Kum isoloko iyinto ekhethekileyo xa ezi ntsuku zibalulekileyo zibhiyozelwa. Ezi ntsuku zimbini zokugqibela, zibhiyozelwa ngokundilisekileyo, ibiyincopho yoko saqala ngeNovena ukuzilungiselela ukuza kweNenekazi Lethu. Zonke ezi ntsuku zisithoba zidlale indima enkulu kumalungiselelo, kwaye ngokuya sasisondela kuJuni 24 kunye ne-25, kokukhona yonke into eyayisekuqaleni kwemibono yavuka kum. Ngaloo ndlela ndaba nethuba lokukhumbula kwakhona konke okulungileyo, kodwa neentshutshiso neentuthumbo ezithe gqolo ngaloo minyaka yobukomanisi, xa sasibandezeleka luloyiko nokungaqiniseki yaye sasingcungcuthekiswa macala onke.

Ucinga ukuba bekufanele kubenje namhlanje?
Kwakufuneka kubenje kwaye kwakungenakuba ngenye indlela. Kwakukho ingcinezelo evela kuyo yonke indawo. Nam ngokwam ndaziva ngathi ndikwimeko yomothuko. Ndandisoyika ukuba kuza kwenzeka ntoni. Ndalibona iNenekazi Lethu, kodwa kwelinye icala ndandingaqinisekanga ngokupheleleyo. Andizange ndikholelwe kwangoko. Ngosuku lwesibini, xa sasiqala ukuthetha noMama wethu, kwakusele kulula kwaye ndandisele ndikulungele ukunikela ngobomi bam ngenxa yeNkosikazi yethu.

Ndavuya, ngosuku lwesikhumbuzo, ukuba ndibekho kumbono owawunawo noMarija. Imbonakalo yayinde kancinci.
Ukudibana noMadonna yinto ekhethekileyo, engaqhelekanga. Izolo, ngexesha lokubonakala, wasenza ukuba sikhumbule yonke into eyenzekayo ekuqaleni; izinto ezingazange zenzeke kum kwiintsuku ezisithoba ezidlulileyo, xa mna ngokobuqu ndandizilungiselele ukuza kwaKhe okundilisekileyo. Inenekazi lethu lasibuyisela umva namazwi aKhe laza lathi: “Khumbulani yonk’ into, bantwana abathandekayo, yaye ngaphezu kwazo zonke ezo ntsuku zikhethekileyo nezinzima.” Emva koko, emva kwako konke oko kwakunzima kuthi, Wathetha ngayo yonke into eyayintle. Yinto entle kakhulu kwaye luphawu lomama othanda bonke abantwana bakhe.

Sixelele into malunga noko bekukuhle kuwe...
Thina baboni abathandathu safumana loo minyaka yokuqala yokubonakala ngendlela ethile. Kwaye into esiyifumeneyo ihleli phakathi kwethu neNenekazi lethu. Wayesoloko esikhuthaza yaye esithuthuzela ngala mazwi akhe: “Musani ukoyika, bantwana bam, ndininyule yaye ndiya kunikhusela. Ngaloo mzuzu la mazwi ayebaluleke kakhulu kuthi kangangokuba sasingenakuxhathisa ngaphandle kwala mazwi kamama enduduzo. Yile nto iNenekazi lethu lihlala lisikhumbuza nge-24 kunye ne-25 kaJuni, kwaye lithetha ngayo nathi. Ndingatsho ukuba ezi ntsuku zimbini ayizizo iintsuku eziqhelekileyo.

U-Ivan, ndikubukele ubukele lo mbono. Ndiqaphele ukuba ngaphambi kokubonakala kobuso bakho bahluke ngokupheleleyo kunasemva ...
Ndihlala ndisithi ukuza kweNkosikazi Yethu kukuza kokukhanya okungcwele kweli hlabathi. Nje ukuba iNenekazi lethu lifike, kuyinto eqhelekileyo ukuba oku kukhanya kobuthixo kusikhanyisele, kwaye siyalubona utshintsho ebusweni bethu. Siguqulwa ngenxa yokuza kokukhanya okungcwele emhlabeni, kunempembelelo kuthi.

Ngaba usenako ukusixelela ngeli Lulu, kukukhanya?
Xa iNenekazi lethu lifika, into efanayo ihlala iphindaphindwa: kuqala ukukhanya kuza kwaye oku kubenophawu lokuza kwakhe. Emva kokukhanya, iMadonna iza. Oku kukhanya akunakuthelekiswa nako nakuphi na ukukhanya esikubona emhlabeni. Emva kweMadonna unokubona isibhakabhaka, esingekude kangako. Andiva kwanto, ndibona ubuhle bokukhanya, kwesibhakabhaka, andazi ukuba ndingakucacisa njani, uxolo, uvuyo. Ngokukodwa xa iLady yethu ivela ngamaxesha athile kunye neengelosi, eli bhakabhaka lisondela kuthi.

Ngaba ungathanda ukuhlala apho ngonaphakade?
Ndikhumbula kakuhle xa uMama wethu wakha wandikhokelela ezulwini wandibeka endulini. Kwakubonakala ngathi ndimile kwi "blue cross" kwaye ngaphantsi kwethu kwakukho isibhakabhaka. UMama wethu wancuma wandibuza ukuba ndiyafuna na ukuhlala apho. Ndiphendule: "Hayi, hayi, okwangoku, ndicinga ukuba usandidinga, Mama". Emva koko uMama wethu wancuma, wajika intloko yakhe sabuyela emhlabeni.

Sikunye nawe ecaweni. Uye wamisa le ndlu ukuze ube nakho ukufumana abahambi ngasese ngexesha lokuvela kunye nokuthula emthandazweni wakho.
Icawe ebendinayo ukuza kuthi ga ngoku ibisendlwini yam. Yayiligumbi endilungiselele intlanganiso noMadonna ukuba yenzeke apho. Igumbi belincinci kwaye bekukho nendawo encinci yabo bandindwendweleyo kwaye bafuna ukubakho ngexesha lokubonakala. Ke ndaye ndagqiba kwelokuba ndakhe i-chapel enkulu apho ndingafumana khona iqela elikhulu labahambi ngezonqulo. Namhlanje ndiyavuya ukukwazi ukufumana amaqela amakhulu abahambi ngezonqulo, ngakumbi abakhubazekileyo. Nangona kunjalo, le ndlu ayenzelwanga kuphela abahambi ngezonqulo, kodwa ikwayindawo yam, apho ndinokubuyela khona nosapho lwam kwikona yokomoya, apho sinokufunda khona iRosari kungekho mntu usiphazamisayo. Akukho Sigramente sisikelelekileyo kule ndlu, akukho Misa zibhiyozelwayo. Yindawo nje yokuthandaza apho umntu anokuguqa khona ezitratweni athandaze.

Umsebenzi wakho kukuthandazela iintsapho kunye nababingeleli. Ungazinceda njani iintsapho ezikwizilingo ezinzulu namhlanje?
Namhlanje imeko yeentsapho inzima kakhulu, kodwa mna ndibona iNenekazi lethu yonke imihla, ndingatsho ukuba imeko ayizinzanga. UMongameli wethu ulapha iminyaka engama-26 ukusibonisa ukuba akukho meko zimbi. Kukho uThixo, kukho ukholo, kukho uthando nethemba. Inenekazi lethu linqwenela ukugxininisa ngaphezulu kwayo yonke le nto ukuba ezi zinto zintle kufuneka zibe kwindawo yokuqala kusapho. Ngubani onokuphila namhlanje, ngeli xesha, ngaphandle kwethemba? Akukho mntu, nkqu nabo bangenalo ukholo. Eli hlabathi lithanda izinto eziphathekayo linika izinto ezininzi kwiintsapho, kodwa ukuba iintsapho azikhuli ngokomoya kwaye azichithi xesha emthandazweni, ukufa ngokomoya kuyaqala. Nangona kunjalo umntu uzama ukutshintsha izinto zokomoya ngezinto eziphathekayo, kodwa oku akunakwenzeka. UMongameli wethu ufuna ukusikhupha kwesi sihogo. Sonke namhlanje siphila emhlabeni ngesantya esikhawulezayo kwaye kulula kakhulu ukuthi asinalo ixesha. Kodwa ndiyazi ukuba abo bathanda into bayalifumana nexesha layo, ke ukuba sifuna ukulandela uMama wethu kunye nemiyalezo yaKhe, kufuneka sifumane ixesha loThixo.Ngoko ke usapho kufuneka luthandaze yonke imihla, kufuneka sinyamezele kwaye sithandaze ngokuqhubekayo. Namhlanje akukho lula ukuqokelela abantwana kumthandazo oqhelekileyo, ngako konke abanako. Akukho lula ukuyichaza yonke le nto ebantwaneni, kodwa ukuba sithandaza kunye, ngalo mthandazo uqhelekileyo abantwana baya kuqonda ukuba yinto entle.

Kwintsapho yam ndizama ukuhlala ndihlala ndithandaza. Xa ndiseBoston kunye nosapho lwam, sithandaza ekuseni, ngenjikalanga nangokuhlwa. Xa ndilapha eMedjugorje ngaphandle kosapho lwam, umfazi wam uyayenza nabantwana. Ukuze senze oku, kufuneka kuqala singohlule kwezinye izinto, kuba sineminqweno kunye neminqweno.

Xa sibuyela ekhaya sidiniwe, kufuneka kuqala sizinikele ngokupheleleyo kubomi bosapho oluqhelekileyo. Ngapha koko, nalo ngumsebenzi katata wosapho. Akunyanzelekanga ukuba sithi: “andinaxesha, ndidiniwe”. Thina bazali, njengamalungu osapho aphambili, kufuneka sibengabokuqala, kufuneka sibe ngumzekelo kwezethu ekuhlaleni.

Kukwakho nefuthe elomeleleyo lwangaphandle kusapho: uluntu, isitalato, ukungathembeki… Usapho lonzakele ngokwamanqanaba amaninzi. Amaqabane ajongene njani nomtshato namhlanje? Ngaphandle kokulungiselela. Bangaphi kubo abanomdla wobuqu ekutshateni, kwiminqweno yobuqu? Akukho sapho luqinileyo lunokwakhiwa phantsi kweemeko ezinjalo. Xa abantwana befika, abazali abaninzi abakulungelanga ukubakhulisa. Abayilungeli imiceli mngeni emitsha. Sinokubabonisa njani abantwana bethu into elungileyo ukuba thina ngokwethu asikulungelanga ukuyifunda okanye ukuyivavanya? Kwimiyalezo, uMama wethu uhlala ephinda ukuba kufuneka sithandazele ubungcwele kusapho. Namhlanje, ubungcwele kusapho bubaluleke kakhulu kuba akukho Bandla liphilayo ngaphandle kokuhlala kunye neentsapho ezingcwele. Namhlanje usapho kufuneka luthandaze kakhulu ukuze uthando, uxolo, ulonwabo kunye nemvisiswano lubuye.

Yintoni ofuna ukuyithetha ekupheleni kwencoko yethu malunga neminyaka engama-26 yokubonakala?
Kuyo yonke le minyaka sithethile ngezinto ezininzi kunye neNenekazi lethu, kodwa iNenekazi lethu linqwenela ukwenza iprojekthi yakhe kunye noyilo kunye nathi, olungekapheli. Kufuneka siqhubeke sithandaza kwaye silandele indlela osibonisa yona. Ukuba ngokwenene ngumqondiso ophilileyo, isixhobo ezandleni zakhe kwaye ndiya kunikela ngokupheleleyo kubabalo lukaThixo.Izolo iNenekazi lethu lizikrwelele ngokuthe ngqo oku xa lisithi: "Zivuleleni ubabalo lukaThixo!". KwiVangeli kuthiwa umoya unamandla, kodwa inyama ibuthathaka. Ke ngoko kufuneka sisoloko sivulekele umoya ukuze sikwazi ukulandela iprojekthi yeVangeli, iprojekthi yeNenekazi lethu.