UJacov waseMedjugorje ukuxelela ngendlela afunde ngayo ukuthandaza kunye nenenekazi lethu
UTATA LIVIO: Ewe Jakov ngoku makhe sibone ukuba yeyiphi imiyalezo esinike yona iNenekazi lethu ukuze isikhokele ekusindisweni kwanaphakade. Enyanisweni, akukho mathandabuzo ukuba yena, njengomama, uye wahlala nathi ixesha elide ukuze asincede, ngexesha elinzima eluntwini, kwindlela ekhokelela eZulwini. Yeyiphi imiyalezo oyinikwe nguMama wethu?
UJAKOV: Leyo yimiyalezo ephambili.
TATA LIVIO: Eziphi?
UJAKOV: Ngumthandazo, ukuzila ukudla, ukuguquka, uxolo kunye neMisa eNgcwele.
UTATA LIVIO: Zilishumi izinto eziphathelele isigidimi somthandazo.
UJAKOV: Njengoko sonke siyazi, iNkosazana yethu iyasimema imihla ngemihla ukuba sifunde iinxalenye ezintathu zerosari. Yaye xa esimema ukuba sithandaze irosari, okanye ngokubanzi xa esimema ukuba sithandaze, ufuna sikwenze oko ngentliziyo.
TATA LIVIO: Ucinga ukuba kuthetha ukuthini ukuthandaza ngokusuk’ entliziyweni?
UJAKOV: Kungumbuzo onzima kum, kuba ndicinga ukuba akukho mntu uya kukwazi ukuchaza umthandazo ngentliziyo, kodwa zama kuphela.
UTATA LIVIO: Ngoko ngamava umntu afanele azame ukuwenza.
UJAKOV: Enyanisweni ndicinga ukuba xa siziva sifuna entliziyweni yethu, xa sivakalelwa kukuba intliziyo yethu ifuna umthandazo, xa sisiva uvuyo lokuthandaza, xa siziva sinoxolo lokuthandaza, ngoko sithandaza ngokusuka entliziyweni. Nangona kunjalo, akufuneki sithandaze ngokungathi sisinyanzelo, kuba iNenekazi lethu alinyanzeli mntu. Ngapha koko, xa ebonakala eMedjugorje kwaye ecela ukuba alandele imiyalezo, akazange athi: "Kufuneka uyamkele", kodwa wayehlala emema.
UTATA LIVIO: Uyamva uJacob waseMadonna ethandaza?
UJAKOV: Ngokuqinisekileyo.
TATA LIVIO: Uthandaza njani?
UJAKOV: Ngokuqinisekileyo uthandaza kuYesu kuba ...
TATA LIVIO: Awuzange wambona ethandaza?
UJAKOV: Uhlala uthandaza kunye nathi kuBawo wethu kwaye uzuko malube kuBawo.
TATA LIVIO: Ndicinga ukuba uthandaza ngendlela ekhethekileyo.
UJAKOV: Ewe.
UTATA LIVIO: Ukuba kunokwenzeka, zama ukuchaza indlela othandaza ngayo. Ngaba uyazi ukuba kutheni ndikubuza lo mbuzo? Ngenxa yokuba uBernadette wachukumiseka kakhulu yindlela iNenekazi Lethu elenza ngayo umqondiso womnqamlezo ongcwele, kangangokuba xa bathi kuye: “Sibonise indlela uMninimzi Wethu owenza ngayo umqondiso womnqamlezo”, wala, esithi: “Akunakwenzeka ukwenza oko. uphawu lomnqamlezo ongcwele njengoko iNtombi Enyulu isenza ”. Kungenxa yoko le nto ndikucela ukuba uzame, ukuba kuyenzeka, usixelele ukuba iNenekazi Lethu lithandaza njani.
UJAKOV: Asikwazi, kuba okokuqala akunakwenzeka ukumela ilizwi likaMama wethu, ilizwi elihle. Ngaphaya koko, intle indlela iNenekazi Lethu eliwabiza ngayo amagama.
UTATA LIVIO: Ngaba uthetha ukuba amazwi kaBawo wethu kwaye uzuko malube kuBawo?
UJAKOV: Ewe, ubabiza ngobumnandi ongenakukwazi ukuchaza, kwinqanaba lokuba ukuba uyamphulaphula ngoko ufuna kwaye uzame ukuthandaza njengoko uNkosikazi wethu esenza.
UTATA LIVIO: Okungaqhelekanga!
UJAKOV: Yaye bathi: “Unjalo umthandazo osuka entliziyweni! Ngubani owaziyo ukuba nam ndiza kuza nini ukuze ndithandaze njengeNenekazi lethu ”.
TATA LIVIO: Ngaba iNenekazi Lethu lithandaza ngentliziyo?
UJAKOV: Ngokuqinisekileyo.
TATA LIVIO: Nawe ke, xa ubona uLady wethu ethandaza, ufunde ukuthandaza?
UJAKOV: Ndafunda ukuthandaza kancinci, kodwa andisoze ndikwazi ukuthandaza njengoMama wethu.
UTATA LIVIO: Ewe, ngokuqinisekileyo. Inenekazi lethu ngumthandazo wenziwa inyama.
UTATA LIVIO: Ngaphandle koBawo Wethu kunye nozuko malube kuBawo, yeyiphi eminye imithandazo eyacetywa neNenekazi Lethu? Ndivile, ndicinga ngoVicka, kodwa andiqinisekanga, ukuba kwizihlandlo ezimbalwa uye wayicengceleza iCreed.
UJAKOV: Hayi, iNenekazi lethu kunye nam ayikho.
TATA LIVIO: Hayi nawe? Zange?
UJAKOV: Hayi, ngekhe. Abanye bethu ababoni babuza iNenekazi Lethu ukuba ngowuphi umthandazo awayewuthanda kakhulu kwaye waphendula wathi: "Ukholo".
UTATA LIVIO: Ukholo?
UJAKOV: Ewe, i-Creed.
UTATA LIVIO: Awuzange ulibone iNenekazi Lethu lenza umqondiso womnqamlezo ongcwele?
UJAKOV: Hayi, njengam, hayi.
UTATA LIVIO: Ngokucacileyo, umzekelo awasinika wona eLourdes umele ukuba wanele. Ke, ngaphandle koBawo wethu kunye nozuko malube kuBawo, awuphindanga eminye imithandazo kunye neNenekazi lethu. Kodwa mamela, ngaba iNenekazi lethu alizange licengceleze iAve Maria?
UJAKOV: Hayi. Enyanisweni, ekuqaleni oku kwakubonakala kungaqhelekanga kuthi kwaye sazibuza: "Kodwa kutheni ungathethi i-Ave Maria?". Ngesinye isihlandlo, ngexesha lokubonakala, emva kokuba ndicengceleze uBawo wethu kunye neNenekazi lethu, ndaqhubeka ne-Ave Maria, kodwa ndathi ndakuqonda ukuba iNenekazi lethu, kwelinye icala, lalicengceleza uzuko kuBawo, ndema ndaqhubeka nalo. yena.
UTATA LIVIO: Mamela, Jakov, yintoni enye onokuthi uyithethe ngekhathekhisi enkulu esiyinikwe nguMama wethu ngomthandazo? Zeziphi izifundo ozifundileyo apha ebomini bakho?
UJAKOV: Ndicinga ukuba umthandazo uyinto ebalulekileyo kuthi. Iba njengokutya kobomi bethu. Ndayikhankanya ngaphambi kwayo yonke loo mibuzo sizibuza yona ngenjongo yobomi: Ndicinga ukuba akakho umntu ehlabathini ongazange azibuze imibuzo ephathelele yena. Sinokuzifumana kuphela iimpendulo emthandazweni. Lonke olo vuyo silufunayo kweli hlabathi lunokufumaneka kuphela ngomthandazo.
TATA LIVIO: Yinyani!
UJAKOV: Iintsapho zethu zinokuba nempilo kuphela ngomthandazo. Abantwana bethu bakhula besempilweni kuphela ngomthandazo.
TATA LIVIO: Bangaphi abantwana bakho?
UJAKOV: Abantwana bam baneminyaka emihlanu ubudala, enye emithathu kunye neenyanga ezimbini ezinesiqingatha ubudala.
TATA LIVIO: Ngaba sele umfundise ukuthandaza umntwana oneminyaka emihlanu ubudala?
UJAKOV: Ewe, uAriadne uyakwazi ukuthandaza.
TATA LIVIO: Yeyiphi imithandazo oyifundileyo?
UJAKOV: Ngoku uBawo wethu, uMariya, uzuko malube kuBawo.
TATA LIVIO: Ngaba uthandaza yedwa okanye nani njengentsapho?
UJAKOV: Thandaza kunye nathi, ewe.
TATA LIVIO: Yeyiphi imithandazo oyicengcelezayo kwintsapho yakho?
UJAKOV: Masithandaze irosari.
TATA LIVIO: Yonke imihla?
UJAKOV: ewe kunye ne "Seven Pater, Ave kunye noGloria", abathi xa abantwana belele, sifunde kunye nonina.
TATA LIVIO: Ngaba abantwana abaqambi eminye imithandazo?
UJAKOV: Ewe, ngamanye amaxesha, sibavumela ukuba bathandaze bodwa. Makhe sibone ukuba zithetha ukuthini kuYesu okanye kuNenekazi Lethu.
TATA LIVIO: Ngaba nabo bathandaza ngokuzenzekelayo?
I-JAKOV: Ngokuzenzekelayo, yenziwe nje ngabo.
UTATA LIVIO: Ngokuqinisekileyo. Nditsho nalaa ntwana ineminyaka mithathu?
UJAKOV: Umntwana oneminyaka emithathu unomsindo omncinci.
TATA LIVIO: Oh ewe? Ngaba unayo nayiphi na iminqweno?
UJAKOV: Ewe, xa simxelela: "Ngoku kufuneka sithandaze kancinane"
TATA LIVIO: Uyanyanzelisa?
UJAKOV: Ndicinga ukuba eyona nto ibalulekileyo kukuba abantwana kufuneka babe ngumzekelo kwintsapho.
UTATA LIVIO: umzekelo wenza ngaphezu kwalo naliphi na igama.
UJAKOV: Asikwazi ukubanyanzela, kuba awukwazi ukuthetha kubantwana abaneminyaka emithathu ubudala, "Hlala apha imizuzu engamashumi amane," kuba abawamkeli. Kodwa ndicinga ukuba abantwana bafanele bawubone umzekelo womthandazo entsatsheni. Bamele babone ukuba uThixo ukho kwintsapho yethu yaye sinikela ngexesha lethu kuye.
UTATA LIVIO: Kakade ke, nangayiphi na imeko, abazali bamele, ngomzekelo nangemfundiso, baqale ngabantwana kwasebancinane.
UJAKOV: Ewe kunjalo. Ukususela xa besebancinci kufuneka benziwe bamazi uThixo, bamazi uMaNenekazi wethu kwaye bathethe nabo ngeNenekazi lethu njengonina, njengoko besesitshilo ngaphambili. Umntwana kufuneka enziwe avakalelwe kukuba “uMadonna omncinane” ngumama wakhe oseZulwini yaye ufuna ukumnceda. Kodwa abantwana kufuneka bazazi kwasekuqaleni ezi zinto.
JAKOV: Ndiyazi uninzi lwabahambi ngezonqulo abeza eMedjugorje. Bazibuza emva kweminyaka engamashumi amabini okanye amathathu: "Kutheni abantwana bam bengathandazi?". Kodwa ukuba uyababuza: “Ngaba ukhe wathandaza ngamaxesha athile entsatsheni?”, Baphendula ngokuthi hayi. Ke ungalindela njani ukuba unyana oneminyaka engamashumi amabini okanye amathathu ubudala athandaze xa engazange abe nomthandazo wosapho kwaye engazange azive ngathi kukho uThixo entsatsheni?
UTATA LIVIO: Imiyalezo ibonisa ngokucacileyo inkxalabo enkulu yeNenekazi lethu ngomthandazo wosapho. Uyabona ukuba ugxininisa kangakanani kule ngongoma.
UJAKOV: Ngokuqinisekileyo, kuba ndicinga ukuba zonke iingxaki esinazo kwintsapho sinokuzicombulula kuphela ngomthandazo. Ngumthandazo ogcina usapho lumanyene, luphepha konke ukwahlukana okwenzekayo namhlanje kamsinya nje emva komtshato.
UTATA LIVIO: Ngelishwa yinyani ebuhlungu kakhulu
UJAKOV: Kutheni? Kaloku uThixo akakho, kuba kaloku ezintsatsheni asinazo iivalues. Ukuba sinoThixo,
kwiintsapho kukho imilinganiselo. Iingxaki ezithile, esicinga ukuba zinzulu, ziyancipha ukuba sinokuzicombulula kunye, sizibeke phambi komnqamlezo kwaye sicele ubabalo kuThixo. Bagqiba kwelokuba bathandaze kunye.
TATA LIVIO: Ndiyabona ukuba usilinganise kakuhle isimemo seNenekazi lethu lomthandazo wosapho.
UTATA LIVIO: Mamela, iNenekazi lethu likukhokele njani ukuba ufumane uYesu, uMthendeleko kunye neMisa eNgcwele?
UJAKOV: Ngendlela endithethe ngayo, njengomama. Kuba ukuba besinaso eso sipho sikaThixo sokubona iNenekazi lethu, bekufuneka nathi siyamkele le nto iMakazi Lethu ibisixelela yona. Andinakutsho ukuba yonke into yayilula zisuka nje. Xa uneminyaka elishumi ubudala kwaye i-Lady yethu ikuxelela ukuba uthandaze iirosari ezintathu, ucinga: "Owu mama, ndingathandaza njani iirosari ezintathu?". Okanye ukuxelela ukuba uye eMthendelekweni kwaye ngeentsuku zokuqala sasisecaweni iiyure ezintandathu okanye ezisixhenxe. Xa ndisiya ecaweni ndabona abahlobo bam bedlala ibhola emabaleni ndake ndazixelela oku: "Kodwa kutheni ndingakwazi ukudlala nam?". Kodwa ngoku, xa ndicinga ngaloo maxesha kwaye ndicinga ngayo yonke into endiyifumeneyo, ndiyazisola ngokuyicinga, nokuba kube kanye.
UTATA LIVIO: Ndikhumbula ukuba, ukufika kwam eMedjugorje ngo-1985, malunga nentsimbi yesine wawusele ulapho endlwini kaMarija ukuze umlinde kwaye uhambe kunye ukuya ecaweni kwiirosari, ukubonakala kunye neMisa eNgcwele. Sabuya ngorhatya ngentsimbi yethoba. Ngokuziqhelanisa, intsasa yakho yayinikezelwe esikolweni kwaye emva kwemini yayiyeyomsebenzi wesikolo kunye nomthandazo, ungabala iintlanganiso nabahambi. Hayi kakubi kwinkwenkwe eneminyaka elishumi ubudala.
UJAKOV: Kodwa xa usazi uthando lweNkosikazi yethu, xa uqonda ukuba uYesu uyakuthanda kangakanani kwaye ukwenzele ntoni, ngoko nawe uphendule ngentliziyo evulekile.
UJAKOV: Ngokuqinisekileyo, ngenxa yezono zethu.
TATA LIVIO: Kwangowam nawe.
JAKOV: Yeyam kunye neyabanye.
UTATA LIVIO: Ngokuqinisekileyo. Mamela, uMarija kunye noVicka bathethe izihlandlo ezininzi ukuba iNenekazi lethu likubonise uYesu ngolwesihlanu olulungileyo. Ngaba nawe uyibonile?
UJAKOV: Ewe. Kwakuyenye yezinto zokuqala zokubonakala.
TATA LIVIO: Uyibone njani?
UJAKOV: Simbonile uYesu ebandezeleka. sikubonile ukuya kuthi ga kwisiqingatha sobude. Ndiye ndachukumiseka kakhulu... Uyazi xa abazali bekuxelela ukuba uYesu wafa emnqamlezweni, uYesu wabandezeleka kwaye nathi, njengoko sixelelwa ngabantwana, samsokolisa xa singekho mhle kwaye singamameli. kubazali bethu? Ewe, xa ubona ukuba uYesu wabandezeleka ngokwenene ngolu hlobo, uze ube buhlungu nangenxa yezinto ezingalunganga ozenzileyo ebomini bakho, nakwezo zincinci kangangokuba mhlawumbi wawungenatyala okanye uzenza msulwa ... kodwa ngaloo mzuzu. apho, uziva usizi ngayo yonke into.
UTATA LIVIO: Ngaba kubonakala kum ukuba ngeso sihlandlo iNenekazi lethu laliza kukuxelela ukuba uYesu wabandezeleka ngenxa yezono zethu?
TATA LIVIO: Akufunekanga siyilibale lonto.
UJAKOV: Kodwa eyona nto ikwenza ubandezeleke kakhulu kukuba ngelishwa abaninzi basambandezela uYesu ngezono zabo.
UTATA LIVIO: Ukusuka kwimfihlakalo yePassion sidlulela kuleyo yeKrisimesi. Ngaba kuyinyaniso ukuba umbonile usana olusandul’ ukuzalwa uYesu?
UJAKOV: Ewe, yonke iKrisimesi.
UTATA LIVIO: KwiKrisimesi yokugqibela, xa ubona iMadonna okokuqala, emva kwe-XNUMX kaSeptemba apho wakunika khona imfihlo yeshumi, ngaba uMadonna wabonakala kuwe kwakhona kunye noMntwana?
UJAKOV: Hayi, weza yedwa.
TATA LIVIO: Ufike yedwa, engekho uMntwana?
JAKOV: Ewe.
TATA LIVIO: Ngelixa wawufumana iziboniso zemihla ngemihla ubusiza qho ngeKrisimesi noMntwana onguYesu?
UJAKOV: Ewe, weza noMntwana uYesu.
TATA LIVIO: Wayenjani umntwana onguYesu?
UJAKOV: Umntwana uYesu akazange abonwe kakhulu kuba uMama wethu wayesoloko emgqume ngesigqubuthelo sakhe.
TATA LIVIO: Ngeqhiya yakhe?
JAKOV: Ewe.
TATA LIVIO: Awuzange wayibona kakuhle?
UJAKOV: Kodwa eyona nto ithenda kakhulu luthando lukaMama wethu kulo Nyana.
UTATA LIVIO: Ngaba uthando lukaMariya lukaMariya ngoYesu lwakubetha?
UJAKOV: Ukubona uthando lweNkosikazi yethu kulo Nyana, uziva ngokukhawuleza uthando lukaMama wethu kuwe.
UTATA LIVIO: Oko kukuthi, kuthando iNenekazi lethu elinalo ngoMntwana uYesu uziva ...
UJAKOV: Kwaye umbamba njani lo Mntwana ...
TATA LIVIO: Uyigcina njani?
UJAKOV: Ngendlela oziva ngayo kwangoko uthando analo ngawe.
TATA LIVIO: Iyandichukumisa lento uyithethileyo. Kodwa ngoku makhe sibuyele kumxholo womthandazo.
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TATA LIVIO: Ngokoluvo lwakho kutheni iNenekazi Lethu likhathala kangaka ngeMisa eNgcwele?
UJAKOV: Ndicinga ukuba ngexesha leMisa elingcwele sinayo yonke into, sifumana yonke into, kuba uYesu ukhona.UYesu kufuneka abe, kuwo wonke umKristu, umbindi wobomi bakhe kunye kunye naye icawa ngokwayo kufuneka ibe. Yiyo loo nto iNenekazi lethu lisimema ukuba siye kwiMisa eNgcwele kwaye siyinika ukubaluleka okukhulu.
UTATA LIVIO: Ngaba isimemo seNkosikazi Yethu kuphela seMisa yomthendeleko okanye seMisa yemihla ngemihla?
JAKOV: Kwanangeentsuku zeveki, ukuba kunokwenzeka. Ewe.
UTATA LIVIO: Eminye imiyalezo yeMadonna ikwamema ukuba avume. Ngaba uMama wethu akazange athethe nawe malunga nokuvuma izono?
JAKOV: Inenekazi lethu lathi kufuneka siye kuvuma ubuncinci kanye ngenyanga. Akukho mntu kulo mhlaba ongenasidingo sokuvuma, kuba, ndithetha ngamava am, xa uvuma uziva unyulu ngokwenene entliziyweni yakho, uziva ukhaphukhaphu. Ngenxa yokuba, xa usiya kumbingeleli uze ucele uxolo eNkosini, kuYesu, nangenxa yezono ezincinci, uthembisa kwaye uzame ukungaphindi kwakhona, emva koko ufumana ukuxolelwa kwaye uzive unyulu kwaye ulula.
UTATA LIVIO: Abantu abaninzi bayakuphepha ukuvuma izono ngesi ngxengxezo: “Kutheni ndifanele ndivume kumfundisi, ngoxa ndinokuvuma izono zam ngokuthe ngqo kuThixo?
UJAKOV: Ndicinga ukuba esi simo sengqondo sixhomekeke kwinto yokuba ngelishwa, abantu abaninzi namhlanje baye balahlekelwa yintlonelo ngabefundisi. Babengaqondi ukuba apha emhlabeni umbingeleli umela uYesu.
UJAKOV: Abaninzi bayabagxeka abefundisi, kodwa abaqondi ukuba nomfundisi ungumntu njengathi sonke. Siyamgxeka endaweni yokuba siye kuthetha naye size simncede kwimithandazo yethu. Inenekazi lethu liyithethile kaninzi loo nto
kufuneka sithandazele ababingeleli, ngokuchanekileyo ukuba sibe nababingeleli abangcwele, ke ngoko, kufuneka sibathandazele, endaweni yokubagxeka. Ndikhe ndeva amaxesha amaninzi abahambi ngezonqulo bekhalaza besithi: “Umfundisi werhamente yam akayifuni le nto, umfundisi wam werhamente akayifuni leya .. .11 umfundisi wam werhamente akafuni kuthandaza…”. Kodwa hamba uthethe naye, umbuze ukuba kutheni le nto yenzekayo, thandazela umfundisi wakho ungamgxeki.
UJAKOV: Ababingeleli bethu bafuna uncedo lwethu.
UTATA LIVIO: Ke iNenekazi lethu liye lasibongoza ngokuphindaphindiweyo ukuba sithandazele abefundisi?
UJAKOV: Ewe, ngokwenene amaxesha amaninzi. Ngokukodwa ngoIvan, iNenekazi lethu liyasimema ukuba sithandazele abefundisi.
UTATA LIVIO: Ngaba wakha weva ngenkqu iNenekazi lethu likumema ukuba uthandazele uPopu?
UJAKOV: Hayi, akazange andixelele, kodwa wenza kwabanye.
UTATA LIVIO: Emva komthandazo sisiphi esona sigidimi sibalulekileyo?
JAKOV: Inenekazi lethu lisicela ukuba sizile.
BABA LIVIO: Luhlobo luni lokuzila oluzibuza?
IJAKOV: INenekazi lethu lisicela ukuba sizile ukutya ngesonka kunye namanzi ngoLwesithathu nangooLwezihlanu. Nangona kunjalo, xa iNenekazi lethu lisicela ukuba sizile ukutya, ufuna ngenene ukuba kwenziwe ngothando ngoThixo. Asitsho, njengoko kuhlala kusenzeka, "Ukuba ndiyazila ndiziva ndimbi", okanye sikhawuleze nje ukukwenza, kungcono kungcono singakwenzi. Kuya kufuneka sizile ngokukhawuleza ngentliziyo kwaye sinikele ngombingelelo wethu.
Kukho abantu abaninzi abagulayo abangakwaziyo ukuzila ukutya, kodwa banokunikela ngento ethile, eyona nto banamathele kuyo. Kodwa kufuneka kwenziwe ngokwenene ngothando.
Ngokuqinisekileyo kukho umbingelelo othile xa uzila ukutya, kodwa ukuba sijonga oko uYesu wasenzela kona, oko wakunyamezelayo ngenxa yethu sonke, ukuba sijonga ukuthotywa kwakhe, kuyintoni ukuzila kwethu? Yinto encinane nje.
Ndicinga ukuba kufuneka sizame ukuqonda into ethile, leyo, ngelishwa, abaninzi abangekaqondi: xa sizila ukutya okanye xa sithandaza, siyenza kubani?
Xa sicinga ngako, sizenzela thina, sisenzela ikamva lethu kwanakwimpilo yethu. Alithandabuzeki elokuba zonke ezi zinto zenzelwe ingenelo nosindiso lwethu.
Ndihlala ndiyithetha le nto kubahambi: Inenekazi lethu lihle ezulwini kwaye akukho mfuneko yokuhla apha emhlabeni. Kodwa ufuna ukusisindisa sonke, kuba uthando lwethu lukhulu.
Kufuneka sincede inenekazi lethu ukuze sizisindise.
Kungenxa yoko le nto kufuneka samkele oko asimemela kuye kwimiyalezo yakhe.
TATA LIVIO: Inye into endibetha kakhulu kule nto uyithethayo. Oko kukuthi, kukucaca oye waqonda ukuba ubukho beNkosikazi yethu ixesha elide phakathi kwethu kunosindiso olungunaphakade lwemiphefumlo njengeyona njongo yabo yokugqibela. Isicwangciso sisonke seNtlalo sijoliswe kule njongo iphambili. Enyanisweni, akukho nto ibaluleke ngaphezu kokusindiswa komphefumlo wethu. Apha, iyandichukumisa yaye ngandlel’ ithile indomeleza isibakala sokuba inkwenkwe eneminyaka engama-28 ubudala iye yakuqonda oku, ngoxa amaKristu amaninzi, kuquka nabefundisi abathile, mhlawumbi bengekayiqondi njengoko befanele bayiqonde.
UJAKOV: Ngokuqinisekileyo. Ndayiqonda kuba iNenekazi lethu liza ngenxa yesi sizathu, ukusisindisa, ukusisindisa, ukusindisa imiphefumlo yethu. Emva koko, xa simazi uThixo nothando lwakhe, ngoko nathi sinokunceda iNenekazi Lethu ukuba lisindise imiphefumlo emininzi.
UTATA LIVIO: Kambe ke, simele sibe zizixhobo ezandleni zakhe usindiso olungunaphakade lwemiphefumlo yabazalwana bethu.
UJAKOV: Ewe, izixhobo zakhe, ngokuqinisekileyo.
UTATA LIVIO: Ke xa iNenekazi Lethu lisithi: “Ndiyakudinga”, ngaba litsho ngolu hlobo?
UJAKOV: Utsho ngaloo ndlela. Nangona kunjalo, kufuneka siqonde ukuba, ukuba sibe ngumzekelo kwabanye, ukunceda ukusindisa eminye imiphefumlo, kufuneka sibe ngabokuqala abasindisiweyo, kufuneka sibe ngabokuqala abamkela imiyalezo yeNkosikazi yethu. Emva koko, kufuneka sibe namava kwiintsapho zethu kwaye sizame ukuguqula usapho lwethu, abantwana bethu kwaye emva koko yonke enye into, ihlabathi liphela.
Eyona nto ibalulekileyo kukunganyanzeli mntu, ngoba ngelishwa abaninzi bayamlwela uThixo, kodwa uThixo akaxabani, uThixo uluthando kwaye xa sithetha ngoThixo kufuneka sithethe ngaye ngothando, singanyanzeli mntu.
UTATA LIVIO: Ewe, simele sinikele ubungqina bethu ngovuyo.
UJAKOV: Ngokuqinisekileyo, nangamaxesha anzima.
UTATA LIVIO: Emva kwemiyalezo yomthandazo nokuzila ukutya, inenekazi lethu licela ntoni?
JAKOV: Inenekazi lethu lithi masiguqule.
TATA LIVIO: Ucinga ukuba yintoni inguquko?
JAKOV: Kunzima ukuthetha ngokuguqulwa. Inguquko kukwazi into entsha, ukuva intliziyo yethu igcwala into entsha nangaphezulu, noko ibinjalo kum xa ndidibana noYesu, bendimazi entliziyweni yam ndabutshintsha ubomi bam. Kukho enye into endiyaziyo, intle, ndilwazi uthando olutsha, ndilwazi olunye uvuyo ebendingalwazi ngaphambili. Olu luguqulo kumava am.
TATA LIVIO: Ke thina sele sikholwa kufuneka siguquke?
UJAKOV: Ngokuqinisekileyo nathi kufuneka siguquke, sivule iintliziyo zethu kwaye samkele kwaye samkele uYesu.Into ebaluleke kakhulu kubo bonke abahambi ngezonqulo kukuguqulwa, ukuguqulwa kobomi bomntu. Ngelishwa abaninzi, xa beza eMedjugorje, bajonge izinto abazithengayo ukuze bazigoduse. Bathenga iirosari okanye iimadonna ezimhlophe, (njengalowo walila eCivitavecchia).
Kodwa ndihlala ndixelela abahambi ngezonqulo ukuba eyona nto inkulu yokugoduka nayo eMedjugorje yimiyalezo yeNenekazi lethu. Esi sesona sikhumbuzo sixabisekileyo banokusiphatha. Akunamsebenzi ukuzisa iirosari ekhaya, i-madonnas kunye neminqamlezo, ukuba asiyithandazi iRosari eNgcwele okanye asizange siguqe ngomthandazo phambi koMnqamlezo. Le yeyona nto ibalulekileyo: ukuzisa imiyalezo yeNkosikazi yethu. Esi sesona sikhumbuzo sikhulu kunye nesona sihle sivela eMedjugorje.
TATA LIVIO: Wakufunda kubani ukuthandaza phambi koMnqamlezo?
UJAKOV: Inkosikazi yethu isicele amaxesha amaninzi ukuba sithandaze phambi koMnqamlezo. Ewe, ndicinga ukuba kufuneka siyiqonde into esiyenzileyo, into esisaqhubeka siyenza, indlela esimbandezela ngayo uYesu.
UTATA LIVIO: Isiqhamo soguqulo luxolo.
UJAKOV: Ewe, uxolo. Inenekazi lethu, njengoko sisazi, lazibonakalisa njengoKumkanikazi woXolo. Sele kusuku lwesithathu, ngoMarija, iNenekazi lethu entabeni liphindaphinda “Uxolo” izihlandlo ezithathu kwaye wasimema, andazi ukuba mangaphi na kwimiyalezo yakhe, ukuba sithandazele uxolo.
TATA LIVIO: Loluphi uxolo uNenekazi Wethu azimisele ukuthetha ngalo?
UJAKOV: Xa i-Lady yethu isimema ukuba sithandazele uxolo, okokuqala kufuneka sibe noxolo ezintliziyweni zethu, kuba, ukuba singenalo uxolo ezintliziyweni zethu, asikwazi ukuthandazela uxolo.
TATA LIVIO: Ungalufumana njani uxolo entliziyweni yakho?
UJAKOV: Ukuba noYesu nokucela umbulelo kuYesu, njengoko besitshilo ngaphambili xa sithetha ngomthandazo wabantwana, xa abantwana bethandaza bemsulwa, ngamnye ngamazwi abo. Benditshilo ngaphambili ukuba umthandazo ayingowo "Bawo wethu", "Hail Mary" kunye "Uzuko malube kuBawo". Umthandazo wethu ikwayincoko yethu noThixo, masicele uxolo kuThixo ezintliziyweni zethu, masimcele ukuba amve ezintliziyweni zethu, kuba nguYesu yedwa osipha uxolo. Nguye kuphela esinokulwazi uxolo ezintliziyweni zethu.
UTATA LIVIO: Ngoko uJakov, ukuba umntu akabuyeli kuThixo, akanakuba noxolo. Ngaphandle koguquko alukho uxolo lwenene, olo luvela kuThixo nolunika uvuyo olukhulu.
UJAKOV: Ngokuqinisekileyo. Kunjalo. Ukuba sifuna ukuthandazela uxolo lwehlabathi, simele kuqala sibe noxolo kuthi size emva koko sibe noxolo lweentsapho zethu size sithandazele uxolo kweli hlabathi. Yaye xa kufikelelwa kuxolo lwehlabathi, sonke siyayazi into efunwa leli hlabathi ukuze kubekho uxolo, nayo yonke into eyenzekayo mihla le. Nangona kunjalo, njengoko iNenekazi lethu litshilo amaxesha amaninzi, ungafezekisa yonke into ngomthandazo kunye nokuzila ukutya. Unokuzinqanda neemfazwe. Le kuphela kwento esinokuyenza.
UTATA LIVIO: Mamela uJakov, ucinga ukuba kutheni iNenekazi lethu lide kangaka? Kutheni esamile ixesha elide kangaka?
UJAKOV: Andizange ndizibuze lo mbuzo kwaye ndiziva ndibuhlungu xa ndibuzwa. Ndihlala ndisithi xa ndibhekisa kwiNenekazi lethu ngala mazwi: "Enkosi Nkosikazi yethu ngokuba nathi ixesha elide kwaye ndiyabulela kuba lubabalo olukhulu esinokulufumana".
UTATA LIVIO: Ngokungathandabuzekiyo lubabalo olukhulu.
UJAKOV: Lubabalo olukhulu esilunikweyo kwaye enyanisweni ndiziva ndibuhlungu xa bendibuza lombuzo. Kufuneka simbulele uThixo kwaye simcele ukuba uNenekazi wethu usekunye nathi ixesha elide.
UTATA LIVIO: Kuyinto eqhelekileyo ukuba ungenelelo olutsha olunjalo, kunye nombulelo, nalo lubangele umnqa. Ngamanye amaxesha ndiye ndizibuze ukuba ayenzeki na le nto kuba ilizwe lifuna uncedo lweNkosikazi yethu.
UJAKOV: Ewe, ngokwenene. Ukuba sijonga okwenzekayo: iinyikima, iimfazwe, ukwahlukana, iziyobisi, ukuqhomfa, siyabona ukuba mhlawumbi ezi zinto azizange zenzeke njenganamhlanje kwaye ndicinga ukuba eli hlabathi alizange lifune uYesu njengoko lisenza ngoku. Inenekazi lethu leza ngesi sizathu kwaye lihlala ngenxa yesi sizathu. Kufuneka simbulele uThixo, kuba umthumela ukuba asinike kwakhona ithuba lokuguqula.
UTATA LIVIO: Makhe sijonge kancinci kwikamva likaJakov. Sijonge kwikamva, iNenekazi lethu lineentetho ezivula intliziyo yethemba. Kwimiyalezo yomhla wama-25 enyangeni, uthi ufuna ukwakha ihlabathi elitsha loxolo kunye nathi yaye uthi uphelelwe ngumonde wokuphumeza lo msebenzi. Ucinga ukuba uya kuyenza?
UJAKOV: NgoThixo yonke into inokwenzeka.
UTATA LIVIO: Yimpendulo yevangeli kakhulu!
UJAKOV: NgoThixo yonke into inokwenzeka, kodwa kuxhomekeke kuthi. Inye into esoloko ifika engqondweni. Uyazi ukuba eBosnia naseHerzegovina, ngaphambi kokuba kuqhambuke imfazwe, iNenekazi Lethu lasimema kangangeminyaka elishumi ukuba sithandazele uxolo.
UTATA LIVIO: Ukusukela ngomhla wama-26 kuJuni ka-1981, imini apho iNenekazi Lethu lalikhala ladlulisela umyalezo woxolo kuMarija, ukuya kutsho kuJuni 26, 1991, mhla kwaqhambuka imfazwe, yiminyaka elishumi kanye.
UJAKOV: Kangangeminyaka emininzi abantu babezibuza ukuba kutheni le nto ixhalabele uxolo. Kodwa, xa imfazwe yaqalayo, bathi: "Yiyo loo nto wasimema". Kodwa kwakuxhomekeke kuthi ukuba imfazwe yayingekaqhambuka. Inenekazi lethu liyasimema ukuba simncede atshintshe yonke le nto.
TATA LIVIO: Kufuneka senze indima yethu.
JAKOV: Kodwa akufuneki silinde de kube ngumzuzu wokugqibela kwaye sithi: "Yiyo loo nto uMama wethu wasibiza". Ndicinga ukuba nanamhlanje, ngelishwa, abaninzi bethu bayazibuza ukuba kuya kwenzeka ntoni kwixesha elizayo, ngubani owaziyo ukuba zeziphi isohlwayo uThixo aya kusinika zona kunye nezinto ezinjalo ...
UTATA LIVIO: Ngaba iNenekazi Lethu lakha lathetha ngesiphelo sehlabathi?
UJAKOV: Hayi, kwaneentsuku ezintathu zobumnyama kwaye ke akufuneki ulungiselele ukutya okanye amakhandlela. Abanye bayandibuza ukuba ndiyabuva na ubunzima bokugcina iimfihlo. Kodwa ke, ndicinga ukuba wonke umntu omaziyo uThixo, othe walufumana uthando lwakhe, wathwala uYesu entliziyweni yakhe, makangoyiki nantoni na, kwaye kufuneka alungele umzuzu ngamnye wobomi bakhe kuThixo.
UTATA LIVIO: Ukuba uThixo unathi, asimele soyike nantoni na, singasathethi ke ngokudibana naye.
UJAKOV: UThixo unokusibiza nawuphi na umzuzu wobomi bethu.
UTATA LIVIO: Ngokuqinisekileyo!
UJAKOV: Akufuneki sijonge phambili iminyaka elishumi okanye emihlanu.
TATA LIVIO: Inokuba ngomso.
UJAKOV: Simele simlungele ngamaxesha onke.