UMedjugorje obonayo uVicka uxela ngohambo lwakhe lokuya kubomi basemva kokufa kunye noMama wethu

Utata uLivio: Ndixelele ukuba ubukuphi kwaye liphi ixesha.

UVicka: Sasikwindlu encinci yeJakov ukufika kukaMadonna. Kwakungemva kwemini, malunga ne-15,20 pm. Ewe yayingu-15,20.

Utata uLivio: Awulindelanga ukuba ubeneliso le-Madonna?

UVicka: Hayi. UJakov kwaye ndibuyele endlwini kaCitluk apho wayekhona umama wakhe (Qaphela: Umama kaJakov uswelekile). Kwindlu kaJakov kukho igumbi lokulala kunye nekhitshi. Umama wakhe wayeye kufuna into yokulungisa ukutya, kuba emva kwexesha elincinci kufanele ukuba siye ecaweni. Ngelixa sasilindile, mna noJakov saqala ukujonga ialbham. Ngephanyazo u-Jakov wehlika ebhedini ephambi kwam kwaye ndiye ndaqonda ukuba i-Madonna sele ifikile. Ngokukhawuleza wathi kuthi: "Wena, Vicka, kunye nawe, Jakov, yiza kunye nam ukuze ubone izulu, iPurattery kunye nesihogo". Ndathi mna ngaphakathi: "Kulungile, ukuba yile nto ifunwayo liLady yethu". Endaweni yoko uJakov wathi kwiLady yethu: “Uzise uVicka, ngokuba baninzi abazalwana. Ungandizisi ndedwa. Utshilo kuba ebengafuni ukuhamba.

Utata uLivio: Ngokucacileyo wayecinga ukuba awusoze ubuye! (Qaphela: Ukuthandabuza kukaJakov bekuyinto yokwenyani, kuba iyenza ukuba ibali lithembeke ngakumbi kwaye liyinyani.)

UVicka: Ewe wayecinga ukuba ngekhe sibuye kwaye siya kuze sibekho ngonaphakade. Ngeli xesha, ndacinga ukuba zingaphi iiyure okanye zingaphi na iintsuku kwaye kuyabuza ukuba siza kunyuka okanye siye ezantsi. Kodwa emzuzwini uMadonna wandibamba ngesandla sasekunene noJakov ngesandla sasekhohlo kunye nophahla lwavula ukuze sidlule.

Utata uLivio: Ngaba yonke into ivulekile?

UVicka: Hayi, ayivulanga konke konke, kodwa inxenye kuphela efunekayo. Kwimizuzwana embalwa sifike eParadesi. Ukunyuka kwethu, sabona ezantsi izindlu ezincinci, zincinci kunezo zibonwa kwindiza.

Tata Livio: Kodwa wawubheka phantsi emhlabeni, ngelixa wawuphethwe?

UVicka: Njengoko sasinyuswa, sajonga phantsi.

Tata Livio: Ubone ntoni?

IVicka: Yonke incinci kakhulu, incinci kunaleyo uhamba ngendiza. Ngelixesha bendicinga: "Ngubani owaziyo ukuba zingaphi iiyure okanye zingaphi iintsuku ezithathayo!". Endaweni yomzuzwana safika. Ndabona indawo enkulu….

Utata uLivio: Mamela, ndifunde kwenye indawo, andazi ukuba yinyani na, ukuba kukho umnyango, kunye nomntu osekhulile ecaleni kwayo.

UVicka: Ewe, ewe, ewe. Kukho umnyango wokhuni.

Utata uLivio: Mkhulu okanye mncinci?

UVicka: Mhle. Ewe kulungile.

Utata uLivio: Kubalulekile. Kuthetha ukuba abantu abaninzi bangena kuyo. Ngaba umnyango uvulekile okanye uvaliwe?

UVicka: Kwakuvaliwe, kodwa uLakhe uLady wayivula sangena kuyo.

Tata Livio: Ah, uyivule njani? Ngaba yavula yodwa?

UVicka: Uyedwa. Saya kumnyango owawuvula wedwa.

Utata uLivio: Kubonakala ngathi ndiyayiqonda into yokuba iNenekazi lethu liyinyaniso isango lasezulwini!

UVicka: ngasekunene komnyango yayinguSt.

Utata uLivio: Ubusazi njani ukuba ngu-S. Pietro?

UVicka: Ndazi kwangoko ukuba yayinguye. Isitshixo, endaweni yoko sincinci, sinentshebe, isitokhwe esincinci, kunye neenwele. Ihlale injalo.

UTata uLivio: Ngaba wayemi okanye ehleli?

UVicka: Ukuma, ukuma ngasemnyango. Ngokukhawuleza xa singena, saqhubeka, sihamba mhlawumbi iimitha ezintathu, ezine. Khange silityelele lonke iZulu, kodwa u-Mama wethu wasicacisela. Sibonile indawo enkulu egutyungelwe kukukhanya engekhoyo apha emhlabeni. Sibonile abantu abangatyebanga okanye ababhityileyo, kodwa bonke bayafana kwaye banxibe imibala emithathu: ngwevu, mthubi nabomvu. Abantu bahamba, bayacula, bayathandaza. Kukho nezinye iingelosi ezincinci eziphaphazelayo. Umama wethu usixelele: "Jonga indlela abonwabe ngayo kwaye banelisekile ngabantu abalapha ezulwini". Kuluvuyo olungenakuchazwa kwaye alukho apha emhlabeni.

Utata u-Livio: Inenekazi lethu likwenze wawuqonda umongo weZulu oluluvuyo olungapheliyo. "Ezulwini kukhona uvuyo", watsho komnye wemiyalezo yakhe. Emva koko wakubonisa abantu abagqibeleleyo kwaye ngaphandle kwesiphene ngokwasemzimbeni, ukusenza siqonde ukuba, xa kukho uvuko lwabafileyo, siya kuba nomzimba wozuko olufana nolo lukaYesu ovukileyo. Kodwa ndingathanda ukwazi ukuba banxibe ntoni. Iingubo?

IVicka: Ewe, ezinye iimpahla.

Utata uLivio: Bahambe yonke indlela ukuya ezantsi okanye babemfutshane?

UVicka: Bade kwaye bahamba yonke indlela.

Utata uLivio: Yayinjani imibala yempahla?

IVicka: Grey, tyheli kwaye ibomvu.

Utata uLivio: Ngokoluvo lwakho, ngaba le mibala inentsingiselo?

UVicka: Inenekazi lethu alichazanga kuthi. Xa efuna, iNenekazi lethu liyacacisa, kodwa ngelo xesha akazange asichaze ukuba kutheni banempahla emithathu eyahlukileyo.

Tata Livio: Zinjani iingelosi?

UVicka: Iingelosi zifana nabantwana abancinci.

Utata uLivio: Ngaba banemizimba epheleleyo okanye kuphela yintloko njengaseBaroque?

IVicka: Inomzimba wonke.

UTata uLivio: Ngaba bayanxiba iilokhwe?

UVicka: Ewe, kodwa ndimfutshane.

UTata uLivio: Ngaba uyayibona imilenze emva koko?

UVicka: Ewe, ngenxa yokuba abanazo iingubo ezinde.

Utata uLivio: Ngaba banamaphiko amancinci?

UVicka: Ewe, zinamaphiko kwaye zibhabha ngaphezulu kwabantu ezulwini.

Utata uLivio: Kanye xa iNenekazi lethu lathetha ngokukhupha isisu. Uthe sisono esinzulu kwaye abo bayithethayo kuya kufuneka baphendule ngaso. Ngakolunye uhlangothi, abantwana, abanakubekwa tyala ngale nto kwaye bafana neengelosi ezincinci ezulwini. Ngokombono wakho, ngaba iingelosi ezincinci zeparadesi ngaba bantwana bagxothwayo?

UVicka: Inenekazi lethu alitshongo ukuba iiNgelosi ezincinci eziseZulwini ngabantwana abakhuphe isisu. Uthe ukukhupha isisu sisono esikhulu kwaye abo bantu bakwenzileyo, hayi abantwana, baphendula.

Utata uLivio: Ngaba ngoko uye waya ePurattery?

UVicka: Ewe, emva kokuba siye ePurgatory.

Utata uLivio: Ubuyile kude?

IVicka: Hayi, iPergatory ikufuphi.

Utata uLivio: Ngaba le ntokazi iza nayo?

UVicka: Ewe, ubambe izandla.

Utata uLivio: Ngaba wakwenza ukuba uhambe okanye ubhabhe?

UVicka: Hayi, hayi, yasenza sabhabha.

UTata uLivio: Ndiyaqonda. Inenekazi lethu lakusebenzisa ukusuka eParadise laya ePurigatori, likuphethe ngesandla.

IVicka: Ipurgatory yindawo enkulu. Kwindawo yentlambululo-miphefumlo, nangona kunjalo, abantu ababonwa, kodwa inkungu enkulu ibonwa kwaye umntu uziva ...

Tata Livio: Uziva njani?

UVicka: Ingathi abantu bayasokola. Uyazi, kukho iingxolo….

Utata uLivio: Ndisandula ukuthumela incwadi yam kumaphephandaba: "Kutheni ndikholelwa eMedjugorje", apho ndibhalela khona ukuba kwindawo yentlambululo-miphefumlo baya kuziva ngathi ziinyembezi, izikhalo, imivumbo… Ingaba kunjalo? Nam bendisokola ukufumana amagama afanelekileyo ngesiTaliyane ukunika abahambi ngezimvo ngento oyithethayo ngesiCroatia.

UVicka: Awunakutsho ukuba uvile kukukhala okanye nokuba uyakhala. Apho awuboni bantu. Ayifani neZulu.

Tata Livio: Uziva njani ke?

UVicka: Uziva ngathi bayahlupheka. Kukubandezeleka kolunye uhlobo. Kuvakala izandi nemisindo, ngokungathi ngumntu ozibethayo ...

Utata uLivio: Ngaba bayabetha?

UVicka: Uvakala ngaloo ndlela, kodwa andiboni. Kunzima, Bawo uLivio, ukucacisa into ongayiboniyo. Inye into yokuziva kwaye enye kukubona. EParadesi uyabona ukuba bayahamba, bayacula, bayathandaza, ke ngenxa yoko unokwenza ingxelo ngokuchanekileyo. EPurattery ungabona inkungu enkulu kuphela. Abantu abalapho balindele ukuba imithandazo yethu ikwazi ukuya ezulwini ngokukhawuleza.

Utata uLivio: Ngubani owathi imithandazo yethu ilinde?

UVicka: Inenekazi lethu lathi abantu basePurattery balinde imithandazo yethu ukuba bakwazi ukuya ezulwini ngokukhawuleza.

Utata uLivio: Mamela, Vicka: singakwazi ukutolika ukukhanya kweParadesi njengobukho boThixo apho abantu bakuloo ndawo yolonwabo babhaptizwayo. Ithetha ukuthini inkungu yePurigator, kuluvo lwakho?

UVicka: Kum, inkungu ngokuqinisekileyo luphawu lwethemba. Bayabandezeleka, kodwa banethemba eliqinisekileyo lokuba baya kuya ezulwini.

Utata uLivio: Kuyandibetha ukuba iNenekazi lethu linyanzelisa ukuthandazelwa kwimiphefumlo yePurigatori.

UVicka: Ewe, Inenekazi lethu lithi bafuna imithandazo yethu ukuya ezulwini kuqala.

Utata uLivio: Ke imithandazo yethu ingasinqamleza ePurgatory.

UVicka: Ukuba sithandaza ngakumbi, baya ezulwini kuqala.

Utata uLivio: Sixelele ngesihogo.

UVicka: Ewe, okokuqala sabona umlilo omkhulu.

Utata uLivio: Thatha into efuna ukwazi: ngaba uzive ufudumele?

UVicka: Ewe.Sisondele ngokwaneleyo kwaye kukho umlilo phambi kwethu.

Utata uLivio: Ndiyakuva. Kwelinye icala, uYesu uthetha "ngomlilo ongunaphakade".

UVicka: Uyazi, besilapho kunye noLwethu. Yayiyenye indlela eyahlukileyo kuthi. Ndiyifumene?

Utata uLivio: Ewe, kunjalo! Ngokuqinisekileyo! Yayingababukeli kuphela kodwa ingeyiyo abadlali bedrama eyoyikekayo.

UVicka: Sabona abantu abathi ngaphambi kokungena emlilweni ...

Tata Livio: Ndicela uxolo: umlilo wawumkhulu okanye umncinci?

UVicka: Mhle. Yayingumlilo omkhulu. Siye sabona abantu abaqhelekileyo ngaphambi kokungena emlilweni; ke, xa bathe bawela emlilweni, baguqulwa baba zizilwanyana ezoyikekayo. Kukho izinyeliso ezininzi kunye nabantu abakhwaza kwaye bakhwaze.

Utata uLivio: Olu tshintsho lwabantu lube zizilwanyana ezoyikekayo kum zibonisa imeko yokugqwethwa kwabo bagwetyiweyo bavutha amalangatye entiyo ngakuThixo.Lususa uthango olunye ngakumbi: ngaba aba bantu baguqulwe baba ngamarhamncwa amakhulu babe nazo iimpondo?

UVicka: Yintoni? Iimpondo?

Utata uLivio: Abo baneedemon.

UVicka: Ewe, ewe, ewe. Kuyafana xa ubona umntu, umzekelo, intombazana enebhokhwe, eqhelekileyo ngaphambi kokuba ingene emlilweni. Kodwa xa ihla isemlilweni ize iphinde ibuye, iguquka ibe sisilo, ngokungathi yayingazange ibengumntu.

Utata uLivio: UMarija wasixelela, kudliwanondlebe olwenziwe kwiRadio Maria, ukuba xa uMfazi wethu wakubonisa isihogo ngexesha lovavanyo kodwa ngaphandle kokukuyisa kubomi basemva kobomi, le ntombazana ibindilisekileyo, xa iphuma emlilweni, nayo iimpondo kunye nomsila. Ngaba kunjalo?

UVicka: Ewe, kunjalo.

Utata uLivio: Inyaniso yokuba abantu baguqukele ekubeni zizilo nabo baneempondo kunye nomsila kum kuthetha ukuba baye bafana needemon.

UVicka: Ewe, yindlela yokufana needemon. Inguquko eyenzeka ngokukhawuleza. Phambi kokuba bawele emlilweni, baqhelekile kwaye xa befika beguqukile.

UMama wethu wasixelela: “Aba bantu balapha esihogweni baye apho ngentando yabo, kuba bafuna ukuya phaya. Abo bantu balapha emhlabeni abachasene noThixo sele beqale ukuhlala esihogweni emva koko baqhubeke kuphela ”.

UTata uLivio: Ngaba iNkosazana yethu uyithethile?

UVicka: Ewe, ewe, utshilo.

Utata uLivio: Inenekazi lethu litshilo ke, ukuba akunjalo ngala magama, kodwa ukuchaza lo mbono, ukuba ngubani ofuna ukuya esihogweni uya, egxininisa ekuhambeni ngokuchasene noThixo ukuya esiphelweni?

UVicka: Nabani na ofuna ukuhamba, kunjalo. Yiya kulowo uchasene nokuthanda kukaThixo. UThixo akathumeli mntu. Sonke sinethuba lokuzisindisa.

UTata uLivio: UThixo akathumeli mntu esihogweni: Ngaba i-Inenekazi lethu liyithethile, okanye uyayithetha?

UVicka: UThixo akathumeli. Inenekazi lethu lathi uThixo akathumeli mntu. Singabantu abafuna ukuhamba, ngokhetho lwethu.

Utata uLivio: Ke ngoko, ukuba uThixo akamthumeli mntu, iNenekazi lethu liyatsho njalo.

UVicka: Ewe, wathi uThixo akathumeli mntu.

Utata uLivio: Ndivile okanye ndafunda kwenye indawo ukuba iNenekazi lethu lathi umntu makangathandazeli imiphefumlo yesihogo.

IVicka: Yezo zihogo, hayi. Inenekazi lethu lathi asithandazeli abo besihogo, kodwa sithandazela abo base-Purgatory kuphela.

Utata uLivio: Kwelinye icala, abagwetyelwe esihogweni abayifuni imithandazo yethu.

IVicka: Abazifuni kwaye abanamsebenzi.
Umthombo: Ibali elithathiwe kudliwanondlebe noBawo Livio, umlawuli weRadio Maria