UMarija waseMedjugorje: Umama wethu usixelele oku kwimilayezo yakhe ...
MB: Nkosikazi Pavlovic, masiqale ngeziganeko ezimanyumnyezi kwezi nyanga. Yayiphi xa iinqaba ezimbini zaseNew York zatshatyalaliswa?
UMarija .: Ndandisandula ukubuya eMelika, apho ndandiye kwinkomfa. Kunye nam kwakukho intatheli yaseNew York, umKatolika, owathi kum: ezi ntlekele zenzeka ukuba zisivuse, zisisondeza kuThixo. Ndathi kuye: Uyintlekele kakhulu, ungaboni umnyama ongaka.
MB: Awunaxhala?
UMarija .: Ndiyazi ukuba iNenekazi Lethu lihlala lisinika ithemba. NgoJuni 26, 1981, kumbono wakhe wesithathu, wakhala waza wacela ukuba athandazele uxolo. Wandixelela (ngaloo mini wabonakala kuphela kuMarija, inqaku lomhleli) ukuba ngomthandazo nokuzila ukutya sinokuyithintela imfazwe.
MB: Ngaba akukho namnye kuni waseYugoslavia owacinga ngemfazwe ngelo xesha?
UMarija: Kodwa hayi! Yiyiphi imfazwe? Kwakusele kudlule unyaka emva kokufa kukaTito. UbuKomanisi babomelele, imeko yayiphantsi kolawulo. Akukho mntu wayenokucinga ukuba kwakuya kubakho imfazwe kwiiBalkans.
MB: Ibingumyalezo ongaqondakaliyo ke kuwe?
UMarija: Ayiqondwa. Ndayibona kwiminyaka elishumi kamva. NgoJuni 25, 1991, kwisikhumbuzo seshumi sokubonakala kokuqala eMedjugorje (owokuqala ungoJuni 24, 1981, kodwa ngomhla wama-25 lusuku lokuqala lokubonakala kwabo bonke abathandathu ababoni, ed), yabhengeza iCroatia neSlovenia. ukwahlukana kwabo kwiYugoslavia Federation. Kwaye kusuku olulandelayo, nge-26 kaJuni, kanye kwiminyaka elishumi emva kwaloo mbono apho iNenekazi lethu lalila landixelela ukuba ndithandazele uxolo, umkhosi womanyano waseSerbia wahlasela iSlovenia.
MB: Kwiminyaka elishumi eyadlulayo xa wawuthetha ngemfazwe enokwenzeka, babecinga ukuba uphambene?
UMarija: Ndiyakholelwa ukuba akakho umntu onjengathi ozimboni owakhe watyelelwa ngoogqirha abaninzi kangaka, oogqirha bengqondo, nabafundi bezakwalizwi. Senze zonke iimvavanyo ezinokwenzeka nezizicingelayo. Bade basibuza phantsi kwe-hypnosis.
MB: Bekukho abantu abangengawo amaKhatholika koogqirha bengqondo abebekundwendwele?
UMarija: Ewe. Bonke oogqirha bokuqala babengengomaKatolika. Omnye yayinguGqr. Dzuda, umKomanisi nomSilamsi, owaziwa kulo lonke elaseYugoslavia. Emva kokuba esityelele, wathi: “Aba bafo bazolile, bakrelekrele yaye baqhelekile. Abaphambeneyo ngabo abazise apha”.
MB: Ngaba ezi mviwo zabhalwa ngo-1981 kuphela okanye zaqhubeka?
UMarija: Baqhubeka ngalo lonke ixesha, de kwaba ngunyaka ophelileyo.
MB: Bangaphi oogqirha bengqondo abakhe bakundwendwela?
UMarija: Andazi… (ehleka, inqaku lomhleli). Thina baboni ngamanye amaxesha siyaqhula xa iintatheli zifika eMedjugorje zisibuza: ngaba awuguli ngengqondo? Siya: xa unamaphepha achaza ukuba unengqondo njengoko sinawo, buyela apha sithethe.
MB: Ngaba ukho umntu okhe waqikelela ukuba le mibombo yimibono?
UMarija: Hayi, akunakwenzeka. I-allucination ngumntu oyedwa, kungekhona ingqungquthela, isenzeko. Kwaye sithandathu. Siyabulela kuThixo, iNenekazi lethu lisibizile
kwisithandathu.
MB: Waziva njani xa ubona amaphephandaba amaKhatholika afana noYesu ekuhlasela?
UMarija: Ndothuka kum ukubona intatheli ikwazi ukubhala izinto ezithile ingazamanga ukwazi, ukwenza nzulu, ukudibana nabani na kuthi. Ukanti ndiseMonza, bekungafanelanga ukuba ahambe iwaka leekhilomitha.
MB: Kodwa kufanele ukuba uqikelele ukuba ayinguye wonke umntu onokukukholelwa, akunjalo?
UMarija: Kakade ke, iqhelekile into yokuba wonke umntu akhululeke ukuba akholelwe okanye angakholelwa. Kodwa ngokusuka kwintatheli yamaKatolika, ngenxa yobulumko beCawa, ndandingayilindelanga loo nto.
MB: Icawe ayikayiqapheli loo mibono. Ngaba oku kuyingxaki kuwe?
UMarija: Hayi, kaloku iCawa ibisoloko iziphatha ngolu hlobo. Logama nje imiboniso iqhubeka, akakwazi ukuzibiza.
MB: Ithatha ixesha elingakanani into oyibonayo imihla ngemihla?
UMarija: Mihlanu, imizuzu emithandathu. Olona bonakala lude lwathatha iiyure ezimbini.
MB: Ngaba uhlala ubona u-"La" ngokufanayo?
UMarija: Isoloko ifana. Njengomntu oqhelekileyo othetha nam, kwaye sinokuchukumisa.
MB: Uninzi luyachasa: abathembekileyo baseMedjugorje balandela imiyalezo oyibikayo ngaphezu kweZibhalo eziNgcwele.
UMarija: Kodwa iNenekazi lethu kwimiyalezo yalo lisixelele ngokuchanekileyo oku: "Beka iZibhalo Ezingcwele kwindawo yokuqala kumakhaya enu, kwaye nizifunde yonke imihla". Bakwasixelela ukuba sinqula iNenekazi Lethu hayi uThixo.” Oku kukwabubudenge: Inenekazi lethu alenzi nto ngaphandle kokusixelela ukuba sibeke uThixo kwindawo yokuqala ebomini bethu. Kwaye isixelela ukuba sihlale eCaweni, emarhamenteni. Abo babuyayo bevela eMedjugorje ababi ngumpostile waseMedjugorje: baba yintsika yamarhamente.
MB: Kuyaphikiswa ukuba imiyalezo yeNenekazi Lethu oyibhekisayo iphindaphinda: thandaza, khawuleza.
UMarija: Kuyacaca ukuba usifumene sinentloko elukhuni. Ngokucacileyo ufuna ukusivusa, kuba namhlanje sithandaza kancinane, kwaye ebomini asibeki uThixo kuqala, kodwa ezinye izinto: umsebenzi, imali ...
MB: Akukho namnye kuni owaba ngumfundisi okanye unongendi. Abahlanu kuni batshatile. Ngaba oku kuthetha ukuba namhlanje kubalulekile ukuba neentsapho zamaKristu?
UMarija: Kangangeminyaka emininzi ndandicinga ukuba ndiza kuba ngunongendi. Ndandisele ndiqalisile ukuya kwikhaya loonongendi, umnqweno wokungenela wawunamandla kakhulu. Kodwa umama ophetheyo wathi kum: Marija, ukuba uyafuna ukuza, wamkelekile; kodwa ukuba ubhishophu ugqiba kwelokuba ungaphindi uthethe ngeMedjugorje, kufuneka uthobele. Ngelo xesha ndaqalisa ukucinga ukuba mhlawumbi ubizo lwam yayikukungqina into endiyibonayo nendiyivileyo, nokuba ndingayifuna indlela yobungcwele nangaphandle kwekhaya loonongendi.
MB: Buyintoni ubungcwele kuwe?
UMarija: Ndiphila ubomi bam bemihla ngemihla kakuhle. Ukuba ngumama ongcono, kunye nomtshakazi ongcono.
MB: Nksk. Pavlovic, kunokuthiwa akuyomfuneko ukuba ukholelwe: uyazi. Usayoyika into?
UMarija: Uloyiko lusoloko lukhona. Kodwa ndiyakwazi ukuqiqa. Ndithi: ndiyambulela uThixo, ndinalo ukholo. Kwaye ndiyazi ukuba iNenekazi lethu lihlala lisinceda ngamaxesha anzima.
MB: Ngaba eli lixesha elinzima?
UMarija: Andiyicingi loo nto. Ndibona ukuba ihlabathi lithwaxwa zizinto ezininzi: imfazwe, izifo, indlala. Kodwa kwakhona ndiyabona ukuba uThixo usinika uncedo oluninzi olungaqhelekanga, olufana nemibono yemihla ngemihla kum, uVicka noIvan. Kwaye ndiyazi ukuba umthandazo unokwenza nantoni na. Xa, emva kwemiboniso yokuqala, sathi iNenekazi lethu lasimema ukuba sicengceleze irosari yonke imihla kwaye sizile ukutya, kwabonakala ngathi sinokuthi? Ukanti xa kuqhambuka imfazwe sasiqonda isizathu sokuba iNenekazi lethu lisixelele ukuba sithandazele uxolo. Kwaye sibonile, umzekelo, ukuba eSplit, apho ubhishophu omkhulu waye wamkele kwangoko umyalezo kaMedjugorje kwaye wathandazela uxolo, imfazwe ayizange ifike.
Kum ngummangaliso, watsho ubhishophu omkhulu. Omnye uthi: ingenza ntoni irosari? akukho nto. Kodwa thina rhoqo ngorhatya, kunye nabantwana, sithi irosari kwabo bantu bahluphekayo bafa e-Afghanistan, kunye nabafileyo eNew York naseWashington. Kwaye ndiyakholelwa kumandla omthandazo.
MB: Ngaba le yintliziyo yomyalezo waseMedjugorje? Ukuphinda ufumanise ukubaluleka komthandazo?
UMarija: Ewe, kodwa akunjalo kuphela. Inenekazi lethu likwasixelela ukuba imfazwe isentliziyweni yam ukuba andinaye uThixo, kuba kuphela kuThixo olunokufumaneka uxolo. Kwakhona isixelela ukuba imfazwe ayikho kuphela apho kuphoswa khona iibhombu, kodwa kwakhona, umzekelo, kwiintsapho eziqhekekayo. Usixelela ukuba siye eMthendelekweni, siye kuvuma izono, sikhethe umalathisi wokomoya, siguqule ubomi bethu, sithande ummelwane wethu. Yaye isibonisa ngokucacileyo oko sikuko isono, kuba ihlabathi lanamhlanje liye layeka ukwazi okulungileyo nokubi. Ndicinga, umzekelo, ukuba mangaphi amabhinqa aqhomfa engakhange ayiqonde into ayenzayo, kuba isiko lanamhlanje libenza bakholelwe ukuba akulunganga.
MB: Namhlanje abaninzi bakholelwa ukuba sele beza kuqalisa imfazwe yehlabathi.
UMarija: Ndithi iNenekazi Lethu lisinika ithuba lehlabathi elingcono. Ngokomzekelo, kuMirjana, wathi wayengoyiki ukuba nabantwana abaninzi. Akazange athi: musani ukuba nabantwana kuba imfazwe iya kuza. Wasixelela ukuba xa siqalisa ukuba bhetele kwizinto ezincinane zemihla ngemihla, ihlabathi lonke liya kuba bhetele.
MB: Abaninzi bayayoyika inkolo yobuSilamsi. Ngaba ngokwenene lunqulo olundlongondlongo?
UMarija: Ndandihlala kwilizwe ebelilawulwa ngamaOttoman kangangeenkulungwane. Yaye kwanakule minyaka ilishumi idluleyo thina maCroatia asizange sibandezeleke ngeyona ntshabalalo inkulu ngamaSerb, kodwa ngamaSilamsi. Ndiyakwazi kwakhona ukucinga ukuba iziganeko zanamhlanje zinokuvula amehlo ethu kwiingozi ezithile zobuSilamsi. Kodwa andifuni kugalela amafutha emlilweni. Andingoweemfazwe zonqulo. Inenekazi lethu lisixelela ukuba ngumama wabo bonke, ngaphandle kokwahlula. Kwaye njengemboni ndithi: akufuneki soyike nantoni na, kuba uThixo uhlala ekhokela imbali. Nanamhlanje.