UMirjana waseMedjugorje "Inenekazi lethu landibonisa iZulu"

I-DP: Unikezela ngeemfihlo ezilishumi njengo-Ivanka kwaye nangona kunjalo uMadonna wathi kuye: uya kutyhila iimfihlo ngompristi. Sifanele sijongane njani nale mfihlakalo?
M: Nokuba ndithetha ezi mfihlakalo ndingatsho ukuba inenekazi lethu likhathazeka kakhulu ngabo bangakholwayo, kuba besithi abazi ukuba balindelwe yintoni emva kokusweleka. Usixelela ukuba siyakholelwa, atsho kwihlabathi liphela, ukuba amve uThixo njengoBawo wethu kunye naye njengoMama wethu; kwaye ungoyiki nantoni na engalunganga. Kwaye ngenxa yesi sizathu uhlala ucebisa ukuthandazela abangakholwayo: yile nto yonke endinokuyithetha malunga neemfihlo. Ngaphandle kokuba kufuneka ndixelele umbingeleli kwiintsuku ezilishumi ngaphambi kwemfihlo yokuqala; emva kokuba sibabini sizokuzila ukutya iintsuku ezisixhenxe kunye namanzi kunye neentsuku ezintathu ngaphambi kokuba imfihlo iqale azokuxelela umhlaba wonke ukuba kuya kwenzeka ntoni kwaye phi. Kwaye kunjalo nazo zonke iimfihlo.

I-DP: Ngaba uthetha ngexesha elinye, hayi zonke ngexesha elinye?
Mlu: Ewe, munye ngexesha.

I-DP: Kubonakala kum ukuba uP.Tomislav uthe iimfihlo zidityaniswa njengakwityathanga ...
M: Hayi, hayi, ababingeleli kunye nabanye bayathetha ngale nto, kodwa akukho nto ndiyitshoyo. Ewe okanye hayi, okanye njani .. Ndinokutsho kuphela ukuba kufuneka sithandaze, akukho enye into. Ukuthandaza ngentliziyo kuphela kubalulekile. Ukuthandaza nosapho.

DP: Yintoni ozimisele ukuyithandaza? Utsho ngobumnandi obungaqhelekanga ...

M: Inenekazi lethu aliceli okuninzi. Utsho kuphela ukuba yonke into oyithandazayo, uthandaza ngentliziyo yakho kwaye oku kuphela kubalulekile. Ngeli xesha ucela imithandazo yosapho, kuba abantu abaninzi abancinci bengayi ecaweni, abafuni kuva nto ngoThixo, kodwa ucinga ukuba sisono sabazali, kuba abantwana kufuneka bakhule elukholweni. Kuba abantwana benza oko babona abazali babo besenza kwaye kungenxa yesi sizathu abazali kufuneka bethandaze nabantwana babo; ukuba baqala besebancinci, hayi xa beneminyaka engama-20 okanye engama-30 ubudala. Sele lidluli ixesha kakhulu. Emva koko, xa beneminyaka engama-30 ubudala, kufuneka ubathandazele nje.

I-DP: Apha, sinabantu abancinci apha, kukwakho nabafundisi-ntsapho, ababa ngababingeleli, abavangeli ...
M: Inenekazi lethu licela ukuba iRosari yithandazwe yonke imihla. Uthi akunzima kakhulu ukukholelwa, ukuba uThixo akaceli nto ingako: ukuba sithandaze kwiRosary, ukuba siye ecaweni, ukuba sizinikezela ngolunye usuku kuThixo kwaye siyazila. Ukuzila ukutya kweMadonna kuphela sisonka namanzi, akukho nto yimbi. Yilonto ebuzwa nguThixo.

I-DP: Kwaye ngalo mthandazo nokuzila ukutya sinokumisa iintlekele zendalo kunye neemfazwe ... Kwababonisi abafani. Ezo zikaMirjana azinakutshintshwa.
M: Kwethu ezintandathu (imboni) iimfihlo azifani kuba asithethi omnye ngemfihlo, kodwa siyaqonda ukuba iimfihlo zethu azifani. Ngesi sizathu, umzekelo, uVicka uthi umntu unokutshintsha iimfihlo ngemithandazo nokuzila ukutya, kodwa eyam ayinakutshintshwa.

DP: Ngaba iimfihlelo ophathiswe zona azinakutshintshwa?
M: Hayi, kuxa u-Lwethu wandinika imfihlo yesixhenxe, apho wandicacisela ukuba ndiyinxalenye yemfihlo yesixhenxe. Yiyo le nto usithi uzama ukuyitshintsha, kodwa kuye kwafuneka uthandaze kuYesu, uThixo, naye oye wathandaza kodwa sikwafuneka sithandaze. Sithandaze kakhulu kwaye kamva, kanye, xa efika, wandixelela ukuba le nxalenye itshintshile kodwa akunakwenzeka ukuba uguqule iimfihlo, ubuncinci ezo ndinazo.

I-DP: Ngokwenza oko, iimfihlo okanye ezinye zazo, ezinjengezo zikaFatima, azizizo izinto ezintle. Apha, kodwa watshata, u-Ivanka watshata naye. Kuthi sisizathu sethemba: ukuba utshatile likho ithemba kuwe. Ukuba ezinye iimfihlo zimbi, oko kuthetha ukuba kuya kubakho ukubandezeleka embindini wehlabathi. Nangona kunjalo…
M: Jonga, mna noIvanka sikholelwa kakhulu kuThixo kwaye siqinisekile ukuba akukho nto imbi ayenzayo uThixo. Uyaqonda, sibeke yonke into ezandleni zikaThixo.Yinto yonke, andinakuthetha enye into.

I-DP: Nokuba kukufa akusoyiki, ukuba siya ezulwini ...
M: Ewe jonga ukuba akukho nzima ukuba umntu okholwayo afe, ngoba uya kuThixo, apho uziva ngcono khona.

DP: Ngaba ubonile izulu?
M: ndibone nje imizuzwana emibini ukuya kwemithathu kuphela izulu nePurattery.

DP: (….) Ngowuphi umbono obenawo ngezulu?
M: Kukho ubuso babantu, uyabona ukuba banayo yonke into, ukukhanya, ukwaneliseka. Oku kwandichukumisa kakhulu. Xa ndivala amehlo ndihlala ndibona indlela abonwabe ngayo. Akakuboni oku emhlabeni… banobunye ubuso. KwiPurgatory ndabona yonke into emhlophe, njengaseArabhiya.

DP: Njengasentlango?
Mlu: Ewe ndibonile ukuba abantu bathwaxwa yinto, emzimbeni. Ndizibonile ukuba bayabandezeleka, ke mna andikaziboni iintlungu zabo.

I-DP: Ngaba abantu baseZulwini bancinci, okanye badala, abantwana?
M: Ndithe ndibona nje imizuzwana emibini okanye emithathu, kodwa ndabona ukuba abantu baneminyaka engama-30 ukuya kweli-35 ubudala. Andiboni zininzi, zimbalwa. Kodwa ndicinga ukuba baneminyaka engama-30 ukuya kweli-35 ubudala.

DP: (….) Sixelele ngentlanganiso ka-Epreli 2 kunye noMama wethu
M: Sithandaze iiyure ezininzi kunye kubantu abangakholwayo.

DP: Lifikile ngabani ixesha?
M: Ngaphambili, rhoqo emva kwenyanga ezimbini wayefika nge-11 ngokuhlwa, de kube ngu-3-4 kusasa. Endaweni yoko, nge-2 ka-Epreli wafika ngo-14 pm. Iqhubile kude kube malunga ne-45.ilixesha lokuqala ukuba ibe semva kwemini. Ndindodwa endlini kwaye ndiziva ndineempawu ezifanayo xa kusihlwa xa sele eza. Ndaziva ngathi ndiqala ukubila, ukuba nexhala, ukuthandaza. Ndithe xa ndiqala ukuthandaza, ndaziva ukuba naye ngokukhawuleza ethandaza nam. Khange sithethe nganto, sithandazela nje abangakholwayo.

DP: Umbonile?
Ngelixesha bendisiva nje.

I-DP: Kanye, uthe kum: Inenekazi lethu liye lathi mandithethe into ethile kuwe.
M: Ewe, malunga nabangakholwayo. Xa sithetha nabantu abangakholwayo akulunganga ukuthi: kutheni ungayi ecaweni? Kuya kufuneka uye ecaweni, kufuneka uthandaze ... Endaweni yoko, kubalulekile ukuba babone ngobomi bethu ukuba kukho uThixo, ukuba uMama wethu ukhona, ekufuneka sithandaze kuye. Kufuneka sibeke umzekelo, hayi ukuba sihlala sithetha.

I-DP: Ke iingxoxo azidingeki, ngaba ufuna umzekelo?
M: Umzekelo.

I-DP: Ngaba umthandazo kunye nokuzinikela, ukuthandaza kunye nokuzila ukutya zizixhobo ezibini ezinamandla zokunceda okanye ngaba umthandazo wanele?
M: Zombini zihamba kunye ngenxa yam, kuba umthandazo uyinto entle, kodwa ukuzila kuyinto encinci esinokuyinika uThixo, ngumnqamlezo omncinci owenzelwe umzimba wethu nguThixo. ucebise umthandazo wemiphefumlo kwiPurgatory ...)

DP: Ngoku usungule usapho, watshata. Inenekazi lethu lithi: lo ngunyaka wosapho. Uguquka njani wena nomyeni wakho?

M: ngoku masithandaze kunye. KwiLent sithandaze kancinane, ngeentsuku eziqhelekileyo sithandaza ngeRosari kunye nesichotho, uGloria, kuba uLwethu wayewuthanda kakhulu lo mthandazo. Yonke imihla sithandaza oku; NgoLwesithathu nangoLwesihlanu siyazila ukutya, siba kuwo onke amakholwa akholwayo kuThixo.